published Sunday, August 19th, 2012

Needlepoint

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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miraweb said...

Well done, Clay! Bravo!

August 19, 2012 at 12:10 a.m.

What? But I heard Paul Ryan was cheered today? Oh wait, that was because he promised not to change anything for them, just on others?

It's sad that people actually believe his shell game.

August 19, 2012 at 1:23 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

t_q, you act like the war is over, the dust has cleared, and you teabaggers are gloating over your victory. Think again. There are many battles to be fought. Neo-conservatism is experiencing a brief spell of false glory in America but it will be short lived. Liberalism won out for civil rights, for women's rights, for social justice in general, and it will win out again and again and again. The very name progressivism IS the future. Conservatism is the past. Life itself evolves and moves forward, never backward. Your attempts to take the country backward will inevitably fail.

August 19, 2012 at 2:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

I am the 20% that is being discriminated against by both parties.

August 19, 2012 at 5:24 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said... "I am the 20% that is being discriminated against by both parties."

I'm not sure what 20% you mean, but it's close to correct. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security were always meant as safety nets. The safety nets are being threatened by politicians who have lost compassion and by the wealthy who either want to continue to drain the net by abusing its usage or reduce its benefits or funding. The lie that we can't afford these safety nets is being perpetuated by those who can most afford to continue to fund them. They are the ones who won't ever need to worry about needing the safety nets and they never provide any viable alternatives.

August 19, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Rickaroo...I realize there are many out there that think history began when GW Bush got elected, but it didn't. Progressivism, which you proclaim is the future, has a very dark and sinister past. It is being repackaged by liberals who rely on the dumbing down of the masses.

August 19, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's a letter from the congressional budget office explaining to the Speaker of the house about the $716 billion in medicare cuts.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43471-hr6079.pdf

August 19, 2012 at 7:28 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

rickyroo: The name "progressivism" is bogus. Furthermore, "neo-conservative" is a term for the few. Not sure you even know what a true "liberal" or true a "conservative" is. In summation, you are still FOS.

August 19, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

When the plutocrats throw the teabaggers under the bus, whom will the teabaggers blame?

August 19, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - the number is much larger than 20%.

August 19, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Someone posted a letter "from the congressional budget office explaining to the Speaker of the house about the $716 billion in medicare cuts."

There are no "cuts" being proposed to Medicare by the President nor are any cuts outlined in ObamaCare. ObamaCare reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare, with savings coming into play from reducing money that goes to private insurers who provide Medicare Advantage programs, as well as tackling issues of fraud, waste, and abuse.

Those savings are to be used to pay for health care provisions contained in the AHCA, without reducing Medicare benefits to a soul.

By all means, please read that letter carefully and slowly. It backs up the President 100%, it trounces the Republican initiative to repeal ObamaCare, and it is a complete confirmation from the CBO that if HR 6079 is passed, which by the way is the bill to repeal all provisions of the Affordable Health Care Act, that the Republicans will be essentially shooting a bullet into the foot of every American taxpayer throughout this wonderful nation.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's Medicare proposal absolutely strips the same amount from Medicare and gives it to no one. That amount gone from the Medicare budget will absolutely reduce benefits paid to Medicare recipients.

That, combined with all the other cuts that are in their budget proposal, are being touted as a reason to justify a 10% income tax decrease for everyone who falls into that glorious 1%.

Imagine if you will, your employer calling you to attend a meeting of all employees, where a demand is made upon each and every one of you to reduce your household budgets by 10% in order to justify a 10% reduction in your paychecks.

R&R's proposal is a bonafied $700 billion cut to Medicare during a time when demand and the need for benefits will absolutely call for more funding due to retiring baby boomers entering the programs. This demand will increase, even if the program is only preserved as it is for those 55 and older.

R&R's math is a farce, it is careless, and it will drive both deficit spending and the national debt through the roof, but high income earners will be pleased as punch and very grateful, won't they?

The facts are all contained in that letter that someone mistakenly thought backs Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

Any one of you Republican cheerleaders, if and after you read it, who then go on to purport the same crap that the two who are currently running for office are doing to assume the leadership of this nation, will then be just as guilty as those two are of intentionally lying.

August 19, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Keep it pithy. Like this: .if the election is about issues, the GOP will win. "If it's a battle of personalities, Republicans will lose"

August 19, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
mymy said...

79 Days to Go

“What Bowles and Klein, both Democrats, are saying is that the President's abdication of leadership on budget reform has been part of a considered political re-election strategy beginning in 2010. The President chose not to lead on much needed reform knowing Paul Ryan would do so and thereby make himself a convenient political punching bag during a divisive campaign. Simply put, the President cares more about getting himself reelected than he does about addressing the dire financial situation the nation is facing. It's hard to imagine a harsher criticism of presidential failure or a better reason to replace Obama with real leadership this November.”

August 19, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
alprova said...

EaTn wrote: "Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security were always meant as safety nets."

They may have been intended as such, but over the years, due to structure changes and health care insurance company changes, people are almost demanded and mandated to receive Medicare benefits.

The movement in this nation over the past few decades to eliminate pension plans has practically dictated a more pressing need for people to depend upon Social Security to augment any retirement savings that they have amassed. Not many people have private retirement plans that have grown to support them 100% until they die.

Given that the Republican initiative to offer vouchers to pay for part of the premiums for Medicare and to reduce spending outlays for both social entitlements, doesn't anyone else beside myself see a massive train wreck in our future, if the Republicans have their way?

Every stinking last one of us will become elderly, if we are all fortunate enough to live so long. Some of you who participate in this forum are already there.

I'm a couple of years away from being in the safety zone that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are going around the country and citing;

If you are 55 and older, nothing changes for you!!"

Well, that's all well and good for folks who have reached that milestone. They have nothing to worry about, which is why they yawn at all this debate over Social programs currently being under attack.

I don't live under any illusion that I will be able to weather all the costs of a comfortable retirement all by my lonesome. I'm one of many people who are banking on both, and regardless of differing opinions that one may hold, I doggone well feel entitled to the prescribed benefits for both as they exist this very date, for I have been paying part of my income into both programs for 37 years.

I have no problem with being forced to work until the day I drop dead, and in fact have pretty much resigned myself to the necessity that I will have to, in order to be completely comfortable.

But don't yank out from under me, 15 years before I reach the goal line, part of the fruits of my labor. I damn well have worked for those benefits and I paid into each program that which has been assessed me over the years, in order to qualify for them.

If politicians want a starting place to begin steering people to a more self-supporting means of planning for their twilight years, they need to do it with youngsters in high school and beginning when they start working for McDonald's.

Ten years ago, I was on track in terms of income and savings, to have more than enough to fund a very comfortable retirement. Life circumstances changed that picture dramatically.

I don't whine about it, and I am absolutely a survivor, but whereas a decade ago, I wasn't concerned one whit about needing Social programs to support me, today, they are in the forefront of my future financial picture.

I know that I am hardly alone.

August 19, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
jesse said...

Their AIN'T no real leaders in this dog race!That's the problem!

MAYBE in 2016 ????

August 19, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy quoted: "Simply put, the President cares more about getting himself reelected than he does about addressing the dire financial situation the nation is facing."

That's utter hogwash. What does the man stand to personally gain, that he already hasn't, by running for and being elected President for a second term? I can't think of a thing. He's already set for life, even if he serves one term.

Nobody remembers the losers...just the winners. Case in point: How many Presidential candidates can you name, without looking it up of course, who lost their bids to become President beyond let's say sixty years ago? If it were more than two, I'd be simply amazed.

On the other hand, the opposing team stand to gain the distinction of becoming the President and Vice-President and being entered into all the history books for eternity. Their motivation is clear as a bell.

They will do and say anything to seek election, and have done so already, many times.

Obama is not without his share of faults as a human being, but when it comes to which of the three men who honestly has his heart and soul in seeking to better this nation for more than a select few people, that man is Barack Obama.

As one person who lives in a State which will overwhelmingly support electing Mitt Romney for President, I am fully aware that my vote for Barack Obama will be a complete waste of my time, but I will cast it anyway for him.

I know full and well that I cannot fix stupidity and ignorance all by myself, but I'll never give up trying to do so.

The other day, you let it be known that you are a senior citizen.

Would you be so kind as to answer one simple question?

How in the world can you, as a senior citizen, support the Republican party for one minute? They would throw you out in front of a CARTA bus, if they thought it would save the taxpayers a cent.

August 19, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
miraweb said...

I am a little puzzled why Romney is standing behind Ryan's Medicare stance.

First, Ryan's proposal has exactly zero chance of becoming law. He may be willing to walk the AARP plank, but the Senate has no plans to join him.

Romney may have little choice, because he really never articulated any serious proposals of his own.

Here is a link to a nice piece covering the actual savings from Medicare that Obama has passed vs the imaginary savings that Ryan has on the table:

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/16/fact-check-obamacares-medicare-cuts/

August 19, 2012 at noon

Patriot1, Conservativism has a dark and sinister past that is being repackaged by right-wing pundits who rely on exploitating the gullibility of the masses. For example, supporting segregation, opposing abolition of slavery and that's just two examples in this country.

Alprova, it's a funny-world where Republicans who claim to be for cutting waste and overn-spending in government try to turn an actual savings into a bad thing. I suspect if Obama stopped a dam from bursting, they'd complain about him causing a drought. There must be a lack of integrity involved.

But let's see, Wendell Willkie, Henry Clay, William Jennings Bryan, Samuel Tilden and John Breckenridge.

I did double check the spelling on Willkie though.

August 19, 2012 at noon
Walden said...

Poor Clay, nobody told him the Libs are losing the Medicare debate. Poor guy.

August 19, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
mymy said...

Aopo: no words like the words of the foolish Obama supports.

It's the economy stupid! Obama is losing that battle!

Carter was dump, right!

August 19, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ryan is already creating problems for his own party. Here is a great ad from a Montana Republican saying he won't support Obamacare and he absolutely won't support Ryancare.

August 19, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

JD, instead of being your usual "pithy" self and replying with your usual childish utterances, like calling me "FOS," why don't you try typing more than one or two lines, for a change, and explain to me exactly what a "true liberal" and a "true conservative" are? Or would that strain your brain too much? I know it's easier to stand on the sidelines like you do and just throw out your one-liners, but come on, big guy, show us a little substance, for once. Let us all see that you're more than just a pretty face.

The entire Republican party has become a victim of two distinctly different and despicable groups of people: the ultra-rich/monopolistic multi-national corporations and the Bible thumping zealots. It strives to please both groups so that it can pass itself off as the capitalist-loving, freedom-loving, God-loving, family values party. Anyone who calls themselves a conservative today is no longer a conservative in the mold of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or even Eisenhower. They all believed in the power of the government to work for the people and didn't view it as something evil and rotten to the core, as conservatives today view it. Before Reagan came along and brainwashed his doting worshipers into believing that "government is the problem," Republcans in the White House were more willing to cross party lines and work together with Democrats. But that doesn't happen any more. Instead today's Republicans only goal is to crush Obama like an ant on a sidewalk, economy and general wefare of the country be damned.

Neo-conservatism might have started out as a more extreme brand of conservatism espoused by a few but today the entire Republican party and its supporters have succumbed to its noxious, irrational mindset. Sir, it is you who doesn't have a clue what a true conservative is, or a true liberal for that matter - such is the degree to which you have been brainwashed.

August 19, 2012 at 1 p.m.
alprova said...

my my wrote: "no words like the words of the foolish Obama supports."

Hmmmmm...I really was hoping for a serious response to my question.

I'll repeat it.

Why would you support the Republican Party, as a senior citizen, for one minute?

What do they offer you or what have they done for you, as a senior citizen?

Does your response indicate that you are incapable of putting together enough words to construct a cohesive sentence?

Can you turn off the Fox News Channel for one minute and sit in front of your computer and answer my question seriously?

I'm not going to attack a thing you write. I'm just wanting to understand what it is that would make anyone in your age range think for one second that Republicans do a doggone thing for them.

August 19, 2012 at 1 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Miraweb - there is a good chance that Denny had his fingers crossed when he made his "promise" regarding the vote for Ryancare. That, at least would be consistent with the rest of his voting record.

August 19, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
mymy said...

Alpo: I don't trust a democrate in today's political environment and based current polices that have not worked with anything. Period. It's the economy stupid! The Obama & company can't be trusted and it is obvious to everyone execpt the brain dead like you. I'm say this knowing both sides have been a problem getting to today's situation, but O liar in chief is the worse or the worse.

You can attacked me any time your little dumb ass wants too. Have at it.

PS you should watch the 1980 debate. Guess who lost?

August 19, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
degage said...

As a senior citizen I will support the republican party. Nov. 10, 2008 valerie jarrett Obamas senior advisor to the transition team said he was ready to rule on day one. Anyone who believes a president in this country is a ruler needs to be dismissed as a kook. Presidents in this country govern not rule. But have you noticed he has gone around congress to put his adgenda in place. We need to be carful about people thinking like this.

newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/11/10/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7nlq80DVpo

August 19, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
jesse said...

I would like to know if ANYONE on here,from whatever point of view they hold, thinks either one of these numbnuts has the wherewithall to get us out of the mess we are in?

THE SHIP IS GOIN DOWN!and everybody is on here callin names and sayin "see how smart i am" !I now understand what the phrase "ship of fool's"really means!

August 19, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
mymy said...

A quote from someone else, but says it well:

Obama is no Reagan. Reagan unified this country by bringing American of all stripes (conservatives, democrats, independents, etc.) to restore America's greatness. Obama, on the other hand, does whatever is politically expedient at any given moment to hold on to power, even if it means encouraging division and dependency.We can't get Reagan back, but we can get someone of like mind and spirit. While Romney is no Reagan either, I can only pray that somewhere down the road we can find him or her.

August 19, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.

Mymy, the American people lost with Reagan's election. Like a quack doctor promising a cure, he gave us smooth words but empty promises. At first the patent medicine seemed to work, but it was no cure at all. But keep worshipping him.

Jesse, your cynicism won't help you, but at least try not to fall into the trap of false equivalency.

August 19, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

rickyroo: fine

August 19, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo done lost his mind. He spins the CBO letter backwards. It clearly states that by repealing Obamacare, medicare would gain back $711 billion. I say if alpo loves the way government runs things, he should give his money to them, take up some great government housing, get a food stamp card, apply for Obamacare himself and see for himself just how good his beloved liberal policies take care of him.

You people just LOVE liberal policies, just as long as it's somebody else having to live them. Your brain is fried from the liberal kool-aid.

August 19, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova ask...

How in the world can you, as a senior citizen, support the Republican party for one minute?

Could it be they unselfish enough to care about their children and grand children?

Alprova said.....

I cannot cure ignorance by myself but will never quit trying.

I am glad to hear you aren't one to give up on yourself. Hang in there, hopefully you will learn enough to know neither party is now nor will they any time soon act in your best interest even if they have good intentions.

August 19, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said...

I would like to know if ANYONE on here,from whatever point of view they hold, thinks either one of these numbnuts has the wherewithall to get us out of the mess we are in?

THE SHIP IS GOIN DOWN!and everybody is on here callin names and sayin "see how smart i am" !I now understand what the phrase "ship of fool's"really means!

WELL SAID, I AGREE.

August 19, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY BULBS? Explain to me HOW you can live in the times we do and NOT become a cynic! About 30 years ago i ran out of hero's and now It's "SHOW ME"!

I been hearin talk for 30 years!So far NOBODY has shown me shat!periot! Last stand up pres we had was Truman!AND he wernt nuttin to brag about!

August 19, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
mymy said...

It has now been 4 years:

August 19, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al,with all of the negative things you have to say about republicans, why are you still registered as a one?

August 19, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Rick! Al can't bring his self to give up reality! He thinks "i wanta be "progressive and kind and my heart is bleedin"BUT the real world keeps fxxckn w/his head!+ DON'T get me wrong!I'm votinn for Obama this goround BUT not because i think he can do the job,I just think he won't mess up as bad as Mitts!!

August 19, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

jesse: How can Willard screw up worse than Barry?

August 19, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Alpo: I don't trust a democrate in today's political environment and based current polices that have not worked with anything. Period. It's the economy stupid! The Obama & company can't be trusted and it is obvious to everyone execpt the brain dead like you. I'm say this knowing both sides have been a problem getting to today's situation, but O liar in chief is the worse or the worse."

Thank you for your answer.

"You can attacked me any time your little dumb ass wants too. Have at it."

Nope. I think there are quite enough personal attacks going on in this forum of late and I am a man of my word. I am perplexed as to why you felt it necessary to launch your own personal attack.

I know full and well that I am not "brain dead" or a "little dumb ass," but thank you for sharing those sentiments anyway.

"PS you should watch the 1980 debate. Guess who lost?"

I really couldn't care less who won any Presidential debate back in 1980. This is 2012.

August 19, 2012 at 3:29 p.m.

Jesse, cynicism is a choice that somebody always argues for, regardless of the circumstances.

There's no shortage of people willing to predict doomsday is coming. Sometimes they may be simply mistaken, other times they may be con artists exploiting others, a few times they may be correct, but history has always had plenty of them.

So no today isn't all that special. And coincidentally enough, I saw this today.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/ff_apocalypsenot/

August 19, 2012 at 3:34 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote:"As a senior citizen I will support the republican party. Nov. 10, 2008 valerie jarrett Obamas senior advisor to the transition team said he was ready to rule on day one. Anyone who believes a president in this country is a ruler needs to be dismissed as a kook. Presidents in this country govern not rule."

Are you serious? You're judging the President for the utterance of a poorly chosen word used by someone else? The man himself has never used that word to describe his duties as a President.

And even if he had, are you aware that one of the definitions of a "ruler" is one who "governs?"

You're seizing on the more widely believed, albeit false assumption, that a ruler of a nation can only be a tyrant.

A President of the United States most certainly is a person who governs according to this nation's rule of law, hence he is a ruler according to the far lesser known definition of that word.

It was a poorly chosen word. No question about it. But for you to hold such a word against an entire political party, much less the President himself, after all these years, is just about the most laughable thing I have read in quite sometime.

"But have you noticed he has gone around congress to put his adgenda in place. We need to be carful about people thinking like this."

What agenda is that? Don't breeze into the room, fart, and then leave without excusing yourself.

What agenda are you referring to that can be described as something that the President has done, that was done by going around Congress to do?

Don't bring up any executive orders. Every President has that the Constitutional authority to issue them and not one President has ever consulted with Congress before writing a word contained in any of them.

August 19, 2012 at 4 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "I am glad to hear you aren't one to give up on yourself. Hang in there, hopefully you will learn enough to know neither party is now nor will they any time soon act in your best interest even if they have good intentions."

I'm hardly bothered by the wave of your hand in my direction. It's easy to see what your motivations and concerns are rooted in. You write them all the time. You're a man of substantial means, but not with enough to influence your representatives.

I'm well aware that the Democrats are not perfect, and their efforts miss the mark much of the time, but they are the only political party in this country out there currently, that demonstrates any propensity to work on behalf of most Americans, most of the time.

On the other hand, the Republicans have come to define themselves as embracers of the rich, the greedy, the heartless, those who want to infuse/impose their religious beliefs into every piece of legislation that comes down the pike, and as lovers of nostalgia, in that they want to set back carefully adopted regulations in this nation a hundred years.

By all rights, I should be a Republican. I once was one, and a die-hard Republican at that. The party left me. I did not leave it. And until further notice, I will support the Democrats with my vote and as much money as I can possibly spare.

August 19, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you said a couple of weeks ago you were supporting a couple of republicans that were running for office. Now you make the comment "And until further notice, I will support the Democrats with my vote and as much money as I can possibly spareyou will Democrats."

Al, you talk out of both sides of your mouth like a politician.

August 19, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al,with all of the negative things you have to say about republicans, why are you still registered as a one?"

There are two reasons why I have not changed my party affiliation.

1.) As a Georgia resident, it is currently pointless to vote for national representatives who run as Democrats. At least I can vote for the least offensive Republican.

2.) I live in a County with local politicians, who as Republicans, do a very good job, who set all thoughts of political partisanship aside, and whom have come to deserve my support. I voted recently in our July primary for every one of them.

August 19, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey bulbs! cynicism is what you sink into to keep from sinkin into despair!

I don't know how old you are BUT if you are a thinking person ,if you live long enough it's either cynicism or total despair! Actually there is no hope,human nature almost guarantees the fall of civilization!Humans can't even agree on the problem,how will they ever agree on the solution!!

August 19, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
degage said...

AL< Valerie is his senior advisor. She is closest to him and she has his ear. We have been wondering who his puppet master is, she along with Soros is in the running. just because he is a good orator doesn't mean anything. Hitler was a good orator, look what he did. I am not saying he is another Hitler just that they both are good orators. You will never convince me he is not a socialist and you are not following him blindly.

August 19, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
Walden said...

rick - just curious, how did you know Alprova was a registered Republican?

August 19, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
rick1 said...

Walden, he posted it several times in the past.

August 19, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Anybody that thinks it's good to saddle the future generations of America with un-payable debt for the immediate benefit of so called "fairness" in not of sound mind.

August 19, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
Walden said...

rick - OK. I knew that he claimed to have once been a Republican, but was unaware that he was still registered as such.

August 19, 2012 at 5 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 rote:"Al, you said a couple of weeks ago you were supporting a couple of republicans that were running for office."

Those are local politicians running for local offices. I have not cast a vote for any of my region's national Republican candidates during the past three elections.

I ma thoroughly pleased and pleasantly surpised with my Governor. I didn't vote for Nathan Deal the first time around, but he will get my vote if he seeks to stay in office again.

"Now you make the comment "And until further notice, I will support the Democrats with my vote and as much money as I can possibly spareyou will Democrats."

That is correct. Not every federal candidate that I approve and contribute to is located in my district. I have sent contributions to candidates running in other states.

I may not be able to have an ounce of influence in my own state or district, but in other areas of the nation, those contributions count.

"Al, you talk out of both sides of your mouth like a politician."

How can you say that? Unless we've met by chance, you've never heard me utter a word.

August 19, 2012 at 5 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

A must see. Even for liberals who THINK they know Obama.

August 19, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
Walden said...

I have to admit, I am amazed at how little on-topic discussion there is on this thread. Guess that proves the Libs have nothing to say for their $716B attack on Medicare.

August 19, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, if your convictions are so strong about how the Republican Party has left you then be true to yourself and change your party afiliation instead of using the weak argument of "As a Georgia resident, it is currently pointless to vote for national representatives who run as Democrats. At least I can vote for the least offensive Republican."

In your early post you said "And until further notice, I will support the Democrats with my vote and as much money as I can possibly spare."

You did not mention national elections vs local elections.

August 19, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

With all the evidence; CBO reports, Obama admitting to cutting medicare for all to see, the only response we get (besides alpo trying to spin the liberal lie) is: "no we didn't".

Bottom line: They know Obama cut medicare by over half a trillion dollars, but they don't care. They only care about it when a republican tinkers with medicare. That's why these people have absolutely ZERO credibility.

August 19, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
miraweb said...

You know, Walden - the funny thing is the country is pretty wise now to the "Lee Atwater" attack. Attacking the other side on your own weakest point is very old-school textbook and not even all that interesting anymore.

The election really wasn't about Medicare until Romney stepped in it. It wasn't a fight he needed. It is a battle he is likely to loose.

This just isn't the year to be pulling for more government money for private insurers and less for senior's prescription drugs.

Personally, I think Romney is a bored, old rich guy whose company doesn't need or want his services any more.

I think it is just a pity he couldn't find a way to fill up his time stopping malaria like the Gates or curing cancer like the Huntsmans, but I suppose it keeps him out of his wife's way.

August 19, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Maddow gets destroyed by Rich Lowry. The "brilliant" Maddow can't answer simple question.

August 19, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Walden: Just read the Mark Steyn piece. Very revealing. And VERY Obama-esqe.

August 19, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
Walden said...

You know Mirweb - the country is actually on to all your Liberal crap, and we are tired of it, and your boy BHO is a goner come November.

August 19, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
jesse said...

Bottom line!! IF alprova is a republican i'm a Ethiopian kamakazi pilot! AND I DON"T FLY!!PERIOT!!

August 19, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

You know, if Obama IS reelected, imagine the mess he'll inherit.

August 19, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Walden is right. Many got fooled once. Many expunged the white guilt. This one will have a different outcome.

August 19, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes and Walden, I know this is off todays topic but this is an issue that is being buried by the Obama Administration and the MSM.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/huma_abedin_and_security_clearances.html

August 19, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Let's see now, so far Romney is a dog abuser, tax cheat, murderer, job killer AND rich! WHEW! It's refreshing to see Obama's not going negative! All that and the race is STILL neck and neck. You liberals better come up with something better than all that! It's not working!

August 19, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, if your convictions are so strong about how the Republican Party has left you then be true to yourself and change your party afiliation instead of using the weak argument of "As a Georgia resident, it is currently pointless to vote for national representatives who run as Democrats. At least I can vote for the least offensive Republican."

Excuse me Sir, but any decision to change my party affiliation is totally up to me. I have my reasons for remaining a registered Republican and that's all there is to it.

If and when any vote for a Democrat in this state would make an iota of difference, then at that point and time, I might make the switch. Until then, I reserve the right to vote as I damn well please, for whomever I please, and under any strategy that I choose.

"In your early post you said "And until further notice, I will support the Democrats with my vote and as much money as I can possibly spare.""

"You did not mention national elections vs local elections."

Yes I did. You simply weren't paying attention. As I mentioned earlier, it has been more than 12 years since I have cast a vote for any Republican running for national office.

As recently as three weeks ago, I voted for a handful of Republicans in the Georgia local primary election.

I voted for Mitt Romney during the Georgia Presidential primary. Of course, that was a vote cast against Newt Gingrich, which was a wasted vote too.

I know full and well that in my state, outside of our local elections, I have been voting against the grain for several years now. It's pointless for me to do so, but I do it anyway.

Georgia will definitely go to Mitt Romney, but he will not win the Presidency. So, I'm fine with the way things will turn out, and I'm fine with being a registered Republican.

August 19, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUWX-F-8xkM

Obamacare may close many "poorly-performing" hospitals. Many in the south and cater to the elderly, the poor, and minorities. Where is the outrage?

August 19, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
Walden said...

Uh oh, the Obamadrones have now lost Newsweek. Nice knowing you ding dongs (or maybe not):

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/08/19/niall-ferguson-on-why-barack-obama-needs-to-go.html

August 19, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
alprova said...

Well...everyone has the right to hold onto a sliver of false hope. Walden wrote: "You know Mirweb - the country is actually on to all your Liberal crap, and we are tired of it, and your boy BHO is a goner come November."

The country is certainly divided, just as they have been for the past 13 years or so, and perhaps had the Republicans chose to run a couple of better candidates, I might be inclined to agree with you.

But, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have little chance in convincing America to vote them into office. Mitt swings too far to the left and Ryan bats for the far right. They are woefully mismatched.

I monitor about 36 polls taken in all the swing states on a weekly basis and the President has been making slow gains each and every week for the past three months straight in all of the swing states. His lead in Wisconsin is holding firm, despite one of their own joining the Republican ticket.

There has been virtually no bump whatsoever in the polls with Mitt Romney's announcement of Paul Ryan as his Vice-Presidential pick. The man is carrying too much baggage to please mainstream voters, and the Tea-Party has lost its edge of influence to usurp power within the Republican Party.

Back in '08, Sarah Palin wowed the crowds for a few weeks, then she started doing interviews instead of speeches. John McCain enjoyed a brief, ten point jump with his choice.

And I hate to remind people once again, that throughout this nation's history of Pesidential elections, only one man has ever been elected President not carrying both his state of birth and the state in which he resides, and Mitt will abolutely not win in both Massachusetts and Michigan.

The election will be far closer than it was in 2008, but President Obama will be reelected once again, short of any devine intervention on high, or a satanic low as the case may be.

August 19, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

No president since WW2 has been reelected with an unemployment rate of more than 8%. What makes Obama so special?

I hope Obama goes to Chicago in November. but if he doesn't, then we all get what you liberals deserve. Then after the total collapse of the economy, it'll at least be interesting to see how you spin it to be the republicans fault.

August 19, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.

Jesse, I've found there are two kinds of elderly. Those who lament the present, and sourly wish for the good old days and those who are actually enjoyable to be around.

Walden, the off-topicness of this site predates this latest lie by Republicans. If you want to know why so little effort is spent arguing with it, it's because it is so preposterous.

People who able to win don't have to engage in fraud.

TOES02800, keep looking for tenuous threads to pin your hopes on. Offering that kind of justification shows the weakness of Romney's campaign.

Just like the other lies. Keep doing it.

August 19, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, reference the unemployment you will find this article interesting.

Gallup's unemployment survey shows the Obama economy is getting even worse. Gallup reported an uptick in joblessness in their latest survey of 30,000 households.

"This suggests that the government's unadjusted unemployment rate could increase to 8.7% ... The government's measurement of the unadjusted unemployment rate has been known to differ with Gallup's findings, but a drop of 0.3% ... is necessary to bring the government's unadjusted rate down to Gallup levels."

However, the figure that is most commonly used in reporting joblessness is the Bureau of Labor Statistics's (BLS's) seasonally adjusted rate. Of that rate, Gallup notes:

"More interestingly, there were no BLS seasonal adjustments in August 2011. If this remains the same in 2012, the Gallup seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for August would be 8.3% while that of the BLS would be 8.7%, assuming a similar increase to that shown in the Gallup data."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/potentially_devastating_news_on_the_obama_economy.html#ixzz242G1MN5z

August 19, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
miraweb said...

Depends a lot if Wall Street is behind the next financial panic we get, Toes. What are the chances?

I've been watching the polls, too. In the past week Romney has dropped 1-2 points, depending on the poll and Obama has risen 2-4 points.

The undecided middle is starting to make up its mind.

Romney polls very badly when asked if he should be trusted to handle Medicare. He also polls badly in confidence to handle foreign policy and in likeability.

Romney does a little better when the questions are steered towards economics, but the country isn't showing great confidence in any political leader's ability to set up a program that can address the recession.

Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm

Kaiser Poll:

"Handling the Medicare program"

7/17-23/12

Obama
45

Romney 34

Both 2

Neither 11

Unsure 8

Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12.htm

August 19, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo...your ignorance of the election process is beginning to show. Georgia as well as Tennessee has an "open primary" which means when registering to vote one does not register as either party. Party preference is declared at the polling place in a primary election.

August 19, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.

Miraweb, not as good as the odds of them trying to get the rest of us to bail them out again.

Can't even get more than a token prosecution out of it either.

August 19, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Would anyone be interested in more evidence that there are many Republicans in need of a remedial course in the inner workings of a womans reproductive system?

One such Republican has egg all over his face, he is walking back hard on one of his previous remarks regarding women who get pregnant when raped, and I'm thinking very hard about personally mailing him a check so that he can afford to buy a new and improved rug for his bald head.

I have quite a cue ball going on upstairs and have been that way since I was in my early 20's. I laugh out loud at men who are so vain that they cannot accept their own bodies. Don't even get me started in my mirth when observing dye jobs and combovers, much like the hairdo sported by Donald Trump.

Being bald is quite in these days. But I digress...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/19/missouri-republican-claims-legitimate-rape-rarely-results-in-pregnancy/?hpt=hp_t2

August 19, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

Saw that, Alprova.

I've seen a few articles that say Ryan is one of the brighter folks in the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, that isn't a very challenging standard.

August 19, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

How many people here receiving medicare benefits would be willing to have premiums experience rated and adjusted annually to assure solvency and to assure coverage remains constant or as is? If you aren't willing to do that how would you propose that claims in excess of revenue be paid for?

August 19, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wrote: "Alpo...your ignorance of the election process is beginning to show. Georgia as well as Tennessee has an "open primary" which means when registering to vote one does not register as either party. Party preference is declared at the polling place in a primary election."

I'm well aware of that very simple fact.

I've witnessed firsthand the looks of disaproval and the comment, "You're registered as a Democrat. Are you sure you don't want to Democrat ballot?" from poll workers at my very conservative precinct, during my brief visits to cast my votes in a Primary election.

I like the fact that these people think I am a bonafied Republican, who have no knowledge that I am currently anything but.

Keeping my affiliation as a Republican keeps me out of jail, I suppose, because if I were to change my party affiliation and one of those smug Republican operatives were to question my choice of ballot, I'd probably have the sudden desire to bloody their smug, upturned noses.

August 19, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo: I'll have to agree with you on the vanity and baldness. You know your getting older when you can remember when Dick Cheney had hair and Joe "Plugs" Biden didn't.

August 19, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot1 wote: "Alpo...your ignorance of the election process is beginning to show. Georgia as well as Tennessee has an "open primary" which means when registering to vote one does not register as either party. Party preference is declared at the polling place in a primary election."

I'm well aware that our primaries are open.

I simply spare myself the looks of disaproval and commentary along the lines of, "You're registered as a Democrat. Are you sure you don't want a Democrat ballot?" I've witnessed this many times.

I'm not a violent person at all, but remaining a registered Republican in a very Republican district, with likely Republican poll workers, spares me a trip to jail.

Why? Because if I were to change my party affiliation and if I choose to vote a Republican ticket during a primary election, and if I were asked such a question, I might have the sudden urge to bloody the smug, upturned nose of the person who asked it.

And who knows? The Republican Party may one day collect themselves and go back to uniting for all the right causes once again, and drive out those that divide them now.

August 19, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.

Alprova, it was a bit shocking in the way of its utter mindlessness. Though I'm surprised he didn't try to double-down on it.

Harp3339, we'll use unscorable proposals like Mitt Romney, and hand-wave any problems.

August 19, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

patriot1: Please don't instigate Alpo....look out for a 10,000 word tome on voter registration.

August 19, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb said....

we'll use unscorable proposals like Mitt Romney, and hand-wave any problems.

happy...you should run for office with an answer like that to an legitimate question. I can't see that either party proposing anything to make them solvent long term, do you?

August 20, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
mymy said...

78 days to Go!

August 20, 2012 at 8:43 a.m.
joneses said...

Romney’s right: Obamacare cuts Medicare by $716 billion. Here’s how. Posted by Sarah Kliff on August 14, 2012 at 4:54 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

August 20, 2012 at 8:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

No minds will be changed here. Period.

August 20, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

Learn to read the articles you post.

August 20, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... Walden is right. Many got fooled once. Many expunged the white guilt. This one will have a different outcome.

Spoken like a true Klansman, Jack_Boot! I knew you had it in you! Hey, what are you gonna expunge next, the gentile guilt? The Christian guilt? The male guilt? WHITE POWER, Jack_! Everybody needs to get with the pogrom, right Jack_Boot?

LOL! At your next cross "lighting" you and your buddies should give each other expunge baths!

You're living proof that Bigotfoot really exists!

August 20, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
mymy said...

Unemployment went up in 44 states in July:

How many dummycrats will still vote for Obama? Unfortunately, many.

August 20, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
Livn4life said...

I guess the 1% versus the 99% propaganda means something to some. But when many of the ones who claim to be so much for the 1% are really 99ers themselves and have and will continue to support 99er policies etc., it is beyond ridiculous. The lie that the rich are anything but...Democrats in Congress is pathetic. And many who have supported robbing from Social Security and Medicare etc. are Democrats. But never mind any of that when there is an election coming up. Just put in the "Progressive". I thought that was a doggone insurance company. Oh it is, we will be insured of having more failed policies, more moving forward which is really moving backward, more blaming others for the "progressives" failures. When I saw someone on here ask who the teabaggers would blame, I almost laughed. Then I realized how sad it is for persons to "see" the teabaggers blaming others but not "see" how this President and Co. have blamed everything but the paint chosen at the White House by the former Administration. We live in tough and divided times. Where are we headed?

August 20, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
mymy said...

People should try watching finalcial shows. Fox Bus. was just discussing The CA mess. Example of where the rest of the country is heading especially with Obama policies. So, keep voting dummycrats for a wrong direction for this country!

August 20, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Dude_ : Typical response from you. Use the "R" word, Klan references, and so forth. NOTHING I said is racist. Nothing. You, my little boy, are nothing but a one trick pony.

August 20, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
tderng said...

Livn4life said...We live in tough and divided times. Where are we headed?

L4l...we are headed to hell in a handbasket and the current administration is giddy with the prospect.

August 20, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
joneses said...

Jack,

These hate filled liberals can only use the race card as they have nothing to run on with all of Hussein Obama's failures. Hussein cannot run on any of his accomplishments so all he and his liberals have is hate speech and playing the race card. I have been accused on here of being a racist and have not posted one racist remark. The problem with liberals is I do not like the white side of Hussein Obama. Hussein Obama is a complete failure and because he has so many worshipers it tells me the American population is getting stupid. Now we have 50% that pay taxes and 50% that mooch of these taxpayers. These liberals are so mesmerized by Hussein Obama and his failures they are to stupid to even ask Hussein what he ants to move the country forward to. The dumb just keep getting dumber as proven by the support this fool in the White House has.

August 20, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
joneses said...

The liberals denying Hussein Obama cut 716 billion dollars from Medicare to pay for the socialized Obamacare is proof the liberals couldn't care less about facts. Amazing.

August 20, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

joneses: Solid.

Here's a link I'm sure all will agree with. http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/08/are-we-witnessing-the-establishment-of-a-state-religion/

August 20, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
joneses said...

tdemg

With all the divisive hate speech coming from this fool in the White House we will eventually be in a full civil war if he continues along this path. People are getting fed up with him dividing this country. Hussein Obama did inherit a mess but he has made it worst with his failed policies.

August 20, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
miraweb said...

Looks like the Francis-bot is jammed again. Somebody give it a nudge.

August 20, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses said... "...we will eventually be in a full civil war if he continues along this path."

With your insight, analytical mind and pedigree I'm thinking you could be General joneses in this coming civil war you speak of.

LOL You could be the next Nathan Bedford Forrest! We'll call it "War Between Some Parts of Each State" Better yet, "Civil War: Reboot"!

General joneses, with his oversized helmet and riding crop.

August 20, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
BobMKE said...

You can just smell the panic coming from the Democrats/liberals/Progressives/Statists Etc. Oblamea is not running on any ideas. He hasn’t made any comments regarding the economy, the unemployment rate, hope & change or OblameaCare. He has no vision on how to run the Country. In 2008, he promised the moon and he did not deliver. This election is now clearly at that fork in the road and what path to take for this Country. Romney/Ryan have clearly and bravely are informing people what their plans are for the Country. All Oblamea is doing is the old tried and true negative campaigning tactics which will not work this time. Scare tactics, they hate women, they are racists (the word racism has been used so much that the word is now cheapened), pushing granny off of the cliff, homophobes, rich people are evil, (how many poor people have signed your checks) Etc. The news media also know that are losing the respect of the people because of their biases. (Dam that Internet) Romney/Ryan are taking the high road and are acting Presidential, unlike Oblamea/Bite me-Plugs. (Bite me-Plugs, a gift that keeps on giving) Romney/Ryan will address the lies and then inform the people of their plans for the Country. The people are clearly noticing what the libs are doing. Oblamea will not get the votes from the voting blocks he won over in 2008. (Middle class, youth vote, independents, women, and most of all the people who will just stay home this time. Being a conservative, I am really enjoying the smell of panic coming from you Democrats/liberals/Progressives/Statists, and the sock puppet press/media.

August 20, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

More news of those nutty congressional reps.

It isn't totally clear how things got started or how much alcohol was involved, but the two dozen congress critters and their staffs ended up in the water at the Sea of Galilee - with Kevin Yoder (R-KS) opting to go "au natural."

http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles/yoder-apologizes-for-swimming-nude-in-sea-of-galilee/#storylink=cpy

August 20, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
degage said...

Dude your memory is short. the most popular klansman was Sen Byrd, Democrat. he was the grand wizard at one time. The south was mostly democrat at the time of the klansmen and byrd was top of the list.

August 20, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

NOOGA: Listen carefully, Tool. Palin isn't on the ticket.

August 20, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

The math really isn't that complicated. The question is whether we are going to pay something for nothing (Ryancare) or something for something (Obamacare).

Ryan wants the money funneled to private insurers who, so far, have come up with fewer services and higher costs than traditional Medicare. Apparently, Ryan likes that model.

Obama moves the money out of the boat payments of the private insurance companies and into actual help for seniors - including getting rid of that lame "donut hole" prescription drug system.

I would love to see some journalist ask 65 year-old Romney if 1) he has Medicare now and 2) if he choose a 'Medicare Advantage' program.

He seems like a decent numbers guy and it would be interesting to see what choice he made for himself.

August 20, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ah, Jack - The Palin will always be with us. Whether we want her to or not.

I do wonder what basement hotel room they have her locked in until after the convention. Probably next door to Pat Buchanan.

August 20, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Nooga can't make a post without "boot-licker":. Maybe he has a foot fetish.

August 20, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage... go check the mailbox again.

August 20, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Tu responds:

”Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security were always meant as safety nets.”

So you’re claiming that those programs were intended and should be means tested welfare programs?

Safety nets are literally protections against hazards.

Poverty is certainly one hazard. Age and illness are other hazards - and unless you die very young, it is a hazard that all of us will weather.

Our society recognizes that our seniors have spent decades paying their taxes, building schools, fighting our wars, caring for their parents, and making the institutions that support our society.

We give them their due respect when we as a people say we will support them when age and illness become their burdens, as they will to us all.

There is no welfare involved.

It is a honorable and earned respect for our elders and what we do, justly, as a national family.

August 20, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
timbo said...

Romney/Ryan would make sure this lady had Medicare. Obama is raping Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

August 20, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ryancare is good for the insurance industry. Bad for the elderly. Here are two quotes from the same article that shed a lot of light on how the insurers are watching this debate:

Aetna was getting left behind as one of the smaller players. Not anymore. When you can borrow at 3 percent interest, it's highly accretive to earnings . . . We think we had a very good opportunity to gain better access to government-based revenues at valuations that were very reasonable.

-- CFO Joseph Zubretszky on Aetna's purchase of Coventry Health Care for $5.6 billion

The premium support plan for Medicare would bring an enormous amount of new business to the industry. His [Romney's] plan to reform the corporate tax code would also be hugely positive for these domestic companies.

-- Jeff Jonas, Gabelli Mutual Fund analyst.

Source:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/20/coventryhealth-aetna-idINL2E8JK09620120820

August 20, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timbo,

Medicare is saving $716 billion. Obamacare includes Medicare (Title III to be exact). Learn to read or and do research.

August 20, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

nooga said... "anti abortion (even in the case of rape or incest)"

Surely you're wrong about this, nooga. Surely our republican friends would allow abortion in cases of rape! Surely this is an issue each and every republican woman has looked into. Surely every republican candidate is 'legitimate' enough to take these kinds of situations into account before they form their political opinions!

August 20, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
joneses said...

The liberal denial of Hussein Obama's cutting Medicare 716 billion dollars is amazing. We are witnessing how long fools can be fooled by a fool named Hussein Obama.

August 20, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
joneses said...

In his inaugural address, Obama promised "not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth." He promised to "build the roads and bridges, the electric grids, and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together." He promised to "restore science to its rightful place and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost." And he promised to "transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age." Unfortunately the president's scorecard on every single one of those bold pledges is pitiful.

August 20, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

On a lark I looked up what boat Aetna's CFO actually has.

It is a 29 footer called the "Philomena Gail".

Zubretsky's annual compensation is something over $6 million. The previously cited article states that 30% of Aetna's revenues are courtesy of the tax payer.

In other words - the 99% are paying this guy $2 million a year out of our taxes. I wonder if he'll lend out the boat on weekends.

Aetna's revenues are in the range of $30 billion, so they rake in $10 billion in tax dollars each year.

That is about the same budget that NASA has.

Whadda country!

August 20, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nooga 2:13: "had of won"? Whur you from, Rube?

August 20, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Props to Augusta National.

August 20, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.

Harp3339, pointing out the fact that many people will offer solutions to your unspecific problem based on such empty rationales is a legitimate response that should serve to warn you to cast a careful eye on anybody promising to answer it.

Or do you think it isn't something to worry about?

Of course I think your question is based on hysterical predictions of Doom, but that's normal for you.

BobMKE, did you read the rebuttals?

http://newsone.com/2031752/obama-newsweek/

It's funny, you think just because somebody wrote something it's worth believing, but somehow you don't examine it.

It's like when certain people were passing off the quote about Republican governors and employment. Then it came out that all but one state had higher numbers.

debate, Byrd had the decency to repudiate his earlier mistakes. Do keep ignoring that, and trying to distract us from which party has welcomed the unrepentant. Under the cover of defending liberty and protecting America, as usual, but that was the case from the start. That particular deception goes back to the days of Sulla in Rome and probably to Egyptian Pharaohs.

August 20, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I have identified the SPLC as a hate group.

August 20, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
mtngrl said...

The problem with pithyness

Jack apparently now hates the 1st Amendment:

http://www.splc.org/

The Student Press Law Center is an advocate for student First Amendment rights, for freedom of online speech, and for open government on campus.

August 20, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"He (Obama) promised to "build the roads and bridges, the electric grids, and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together." He promised to "restore science to its rightful place and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost." And he promised to "transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age." Unfortunately the president's scorecard on every single one of those bold pledges is pitiful." - joneses

And the Republicans' score card on opposing and obstructing Obama on every one of his attempts at fulfilling those pledges is 100%.

August 20, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
mymy said...

The Liar and Chief:

Fact Check: Obama running against outdated version of Ryan Medicare plan

“The Obama campaign would like voters to believe that Paul Ryan's Medicare plan would "end Medicare as we know it" -- privatizing the whole system and costing seniors more than $6,000 extra a year.”

“But the campaign, even before Ryan was selected as Mitt Romney's running mate, has effectively been running against the wrong Ryan plan. “

“The president's accusations largely refer to Ryan's 2011 plan, ignoring the fact that the House Budget Committee chairman rolled out a different version in 2012 -- taking into account Democratic critiques. Though the 2012 plan is more moderate, Obama and his surrogates have all but ignored the newer version as they amp up their accusations against the Romney-Ryan ticket.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/20/fact-check-obama-campaign-running-against-outdated-ryan-medicare-plan/#ixzz247btToeC

August 20, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ryan's updated plan still does nothing - NOTHING - to reign in the out-of-control costs of our present system of health care. He only leaves it up to some vague notion of increased competition which would cause, he assumes, the insurance companies to lower their rates. There's only one word that's appropriate for that kind of reasoning, and that is: HA! The government will in no way be able to afford increasing their voucher pay-outs to cover the constantly escalating premium increases. It wouldn't take long before the government would have to put a freeze on the voucher increases or else tightly regulate the insurance industry to reign in the costs. And we all know which of those options Ryan would choose.

August 20, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
chatt_man said...

What a divisive piece of crap this guy is. I wouldn't vote for a white guy that created something like this... and I wouldn't have an opportunity to, either.

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/BdjoHA5ocwU?rel=0

August 20, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Drunk republicans, one even naked, swimming in the Sea of Galilee! Did they urinate? LOL! How sacrilegious can you get?

"One of Jesus' famous teaching episodes, the Sermon on the Mount, is supposed to have been given on a hill overlooking the lake. Many of his miracles are also said to have occurred here including his walking on water, calming the storm, the disciples and the boatload of fish, and his feeding five thousand people (in Tabgha)."

This story has been buried for a year! Dan Quayle's daughter-in-law insists she and her husband left before the drinking and skinny dipping started, but they did bring back some water (!) to use in Christening their child. Sounds like 'wholly inappropriate water' to me.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/20/gop-lawmakers-reprimanded-after-swim-in-sea-of-galilee/?hpt=hp_t2

August 20, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
miraweb said...

The GOP hasn't had this tough of a week since that faux-lesbian stripper incident. BTW, I still have Clay's cartoon on that beauty on my fridge.

This one: http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=45981

August 20, 2012 at 5:51 p.m.
raygunz said...

dude_abides@ 5:33,, IOIYAR!

August 20, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.

Rickaroo, actually they rated themselves at 110%. They got extra credit for opposing their own ideas that Obama implemented.

August 20, 2012 at 6 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Warning! This You Tube video link, while legal, contains trashy slutlike behavior which may be deemed offensive by many of you, but not, apparently, by the Republican National Committee! Thanks for the reminder, miraweb, I had forgiven them in my heart, but now... lol.

August 20, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb said....

Of course I think your question is based on hysterical predictions of Doom, but that's normal for you.

I don't think the OMB makes hysterical predictions but I do think Ostrich's prefer to put their head in the sand and pretend there is no danger. It doesn't even take a CPA or accountant to make the calculation of medicare/medicaid to see claims are 40 cents per dollar greater than revenue so the deficit is greater than it would be and the debt grows. So, you want to keep what you have without ever facing the funding issue? Depends on your age but if you have children and grand children they may not be able to pass it to future generations. Is that greed and selfishness or what?

August 20, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
mymy said...

It's still the economy and jobs when people go into the voting booth in November. Obama is losing the battle.

August 20, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

As much as it pains me to say it, Harp has a point. The current system is unsustainable.

The current system has billions in tax money subsidizing insurance companies. As we have more people eligible for Medicare we have to decide if we can keep throwing money at Joe Zubretsky's boat payments or if we start getting serious about things that can use the money for the services that it was intended for.

I agree completely. It is true, we really can't afford to do both.

The good news is we have already have the first step with the Affordable Care Act.

Health care can be provided privately in a competitive, healthy market. Our health care market, however, is not competitive and not efficient. ACA tries to improve efficiencies by allowing people to shop for coverage in ways they can't now. That is what the exchanges are about.

That saves money.

Ryancare keeps the market hidden and inefficient. Something we can't afford.

ACA works to get early treatment to ill people with universal free screenings rather than waiting until people are seriously ill.

That saves money.

Ryancare doesn't have any early screenings.

ACA knocks a huge hole in the number of people who are uninsured which saves money from emergency room visits and late care.

Ryancare doesn't reduce the number of people who are uninsured in any meaningful way.

I think ACA is far from perfect, but in my view - if the insurance industry hates it that much, it is probably doing most of the right things.

More coverage for the same money? Yeah, that works for me.

August 20, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.

Harp3339, you say I'm an Ostrich, I say you're a Chicken Little who will let the Fox lure you into danger over your fears.

What I want is genuine healthcare reform, and what I see obstructing it is greed and selfishness today, cloaking itself in the lies of defending freedom and the deceptions that come from bringing up various fears such as death panels and government takeovers while ignoring the actual flaws of the system we have. Actually, I think some people cheer them on.

Miraweb, the insurance companies are fine with the PPACA, they got what they wanted out of it. I hope we don't get bled too much for their sake.

August 20, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mtngull: Don't be silly.

August 20, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb said... As much as it pains me to say it, Harp has a point.

Well,maybe if he wears a hat it won't show!(Airplane 2,I think)lol

August 20, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbous: Why do obsess so, with Fox?

August 20, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.

Poor Jack_Dennis, stuck with nothing to offer.

TOES, keep going with the biased polling. But another blogger finds it incredulous

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/20/too-good-to-check-could-obama-lose-illinois/

The more you cheer with falsehoods, the worse you look.

I just heard some pundit on the radio talking about Presidential ads in California. I laughed because he never mentioned the channel, and didn't seem to be aware that they've been airing here too. I dunno, maybe they bought a national media airing or something.

August 20, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Strange bulbs. all you post IS hot air. All you need to see biased influence is NBC,CBS, CNN, PBS, Time..etc...Aaahh! but wait!! The republicans have....FOX...

August 20, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb posted....

ACA works to get early treatment to ill people with universal free screenings rather than waiting until people are seriously ill.


Have you read the act? The insurance companies are not complaining about the AHCA or the commissioners power to make changes. What we had is not acceptable but the AHCA is not much better just more expensive. Any idea how many Dr.s are already not taking any new medicare patients and how many that will not take any once the reduced rates go into effect. Medicare patients may not have access to the best Dr.'s. If you have medicare you can't pay the difference between what medicare pays and a higher fee, it is not legal for a Dr. or hospital to allow you to do that.

No plan so far proposes taxes or premiums that would cover the cost. Once that happens people will know what the real cost of health care is but I doubt obesity, smoking, drug use and lack of activity by those in one or more of those categories will change and heaven forbid they change to a healthy diet. I support Michelle Obama in that educational effort but not the dictatorial approach some would take.

August 20, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Just more drivel from The Wart.

August 20, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

It would be scary if the idiot candidate making the statement about rape, abortion etc. were to get elected, almost as scary as thinking about Biden becoming president. The succession possibility, not political reasons, would be justification enough to replace him. I wouldn't be surprised but I would be pleased if he resigned for personal, family or health reasons before the election.

August 20, 2012 at 11:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here is the statement from those nutcases over at Tony Perkin's Family Research Council:

That community in Missouri, they know who Todd Akin is. We know who Todd Akin is because we’ve worked with him up on the Hill. He’s a defender of life. He’s a defender of families.

This is just a controversy built up, it looks as though, to support his opposition. Claire McCaskill on the other hand has supported Planned Parenthood all these years . . . Todd Akin is getting a very bad break here. We support him fully and completely.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/family-research-council-head-defends-akin-132578.html

August 20, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

Proposal: Eliminate all insurance sources except medicare and medicaid. Establish and maintain premium rates and withholding taxes or penalties for non-subscribers sufficient to pay for them. Make annual experience rated changes to the revenue sources to maintain a no debt no profit status.

Would you vote for such a plan?

August 20, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb....it appears Akin was concerned about everyone except the victim. how stupid to think a woman can avoid pregnancy when raped. I would have no problem with immediately ingesting or injecting a pregnancy prevention medicine before knowing if pregnancy had occurred if anything like that is available. This to avoid the issue but if not an option then the victim must have the option.

August 20, 2012 at 11:43 p.m.

TOES02800, yes, that's the problem, there's just TOO many people not agreeing with Fox.

If only they had more people repeating their narrative! Quick, get somebody else to buy a network! That'll counter the bias of reality!

harp3339: That you're more worried about Biden being president than Akin is rather telling. I know that the Right-wingers really want us to fear Biden for some reason, but it's kinda laughable considering how feeble it is. It's like bringing up the 57 states thing, the criticism reveals the critic is the one with the real problem.

But no, I wouldn't vote for your plan because it lacks details and a purpose, plus it's rather broadly worded, to the point where it'd eliminate ALL insurance, but only provide two options. Surely you can recognize the problem with that idea, right? Then there's the problem with how Medicare and Medicaid are written, if you reduced us down to them, you'd leave MORE people without coverage.

If you want to make a plan for reform, try starting with a statement of principle, rather than attempting to claim a badly written couple of sentences is really worth considering. I'd rather see your intent first, then we can discuss what kind of planning that would take.

And in regards to "avoiding the issue" of pregnancy, no actually it doesn't, since there's a movement that is absolutely opposed to any contraceptives at all, who would not even accept nurses offering anything should a woman come in after being raped. Well, other than telling them that they should keep the baby, because that'd be God's Will.

Sorry, but people have stated their opposition rather clearly already. For them, it is quite absolute.

August 20, 2012 at 11:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

harp - a lot of folks are rightly concerned that there will be enough access to doctors anytime a change in the health care system occurs, and especially with Medicare.

Massachusetts is about as good a test case as we can get. It has one of the oldest populations in the country and was among the first states to get universal health care. It is the working model of the main ideas of the ACA.

After six years, it still has some of the best health care in the nation and there are not major problems with access to care.

The medical schools are already aware that the demographic changes alone mean we will need more physicians. Some of the gaps are now being filled in with nurse practitioners and physician assistants, who are very skilled professionals in their own right.

And guess what - the ACA has funding to help medical training expand. Fancy that.

Having first hand experience with both Medicare and with the Mass health care system, I am not too worried that we are going to overwhelm the system.

If anything, doctors may be happier to know someone is going to cover the uncompensated care they do now.

August 20, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.
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