published Tuesday, August 21st, 2012

The Denial

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Well, I guess that's the story. All's said and done. Now what about EastAsia?

August 21, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

silly

August 21, 2012 at 12:04 a.m.
miraweb said...

I've been thinking more and more that no matter your convictions about abortion and women's health issues, we might have some agreement that the U.S. Congress is the worst group of idiots to be making these decisions for other people.

Some things are just too important to be left to the politicians to debate.

I'm guessing that Akin will stay in until 4:30pm when the GOP will offer him $10 million to just, please, please, please go away.

August 21, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
NGAdad said...

If Congressman Akin respects his daughters' dignity he'll find some other profession to slink into obscurity at. There are enough idiots in D.C. trying to play morals enforcer or OBGYN adviser. The U.S. Senate is supposed to be a place of substantive thought and rational speaking, this guy does neither.

August 21, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
jazzman said...

then, there are the rest of those in congress that 'think' the same way as Akin, including Ryan.,

August 21, 2012 at 1:32 a.m.
alprova said...

I have often sat and wondered to myself about people who feel that a woman who is impregnated after being raped, and feel that it is God's plan for them to carry the child to term.

What then? Should a woman then raise and love a child conceived under such circumstances? I'm sure out there somewhere, it has happened, but that's gotta be something that would be rather tough for anyone to do.

What if this happened to their own wife or daughter? Would they feel the same way and accept it immediately as being God's will?

I seriously, seriously doubt it. I'd be willing to bet my left arm that they would absolutely seek an abortion in an instant. I'm betting that there are many pro-lifers out there who have aborted a fetus conceived as a result of rape.

32,000 women are raped and impregnated each year in this country. You know that some of these women are pro-life or are related to pro-lifers. I mean, it's not as if rapists only target only 'baby-killing liberals' as victims.

Where are all these pro-lifers with testimonials that they were, or who know someone who was raped, impregnated, who gave birth to the child, and are now the proud parents of a child conceived as part of God's plan?

I would never wish in a million years for any woman to be raped, but I do wonder if these thoughts ever cross the minds of anyone who is actively working to impose a law upon a soul in this country to prevent them from seeking to abort a fetus conceived after being raped.

Congressman Akin, in a little less than 24 hours, has become a persona non grata after inflicting a very deep wound in the armor of the Republican Party. Every single Republican is running for cover like a million cockroaches do when a light is turned on.

Know who is keeping his lips zipped? GOP Congressman and Vice-Presidential candidate Paul Ryan. He has gone on record several times expressing his endorsement for a law that would make it illegal for any woman to seek an abortion who is impregnated as a result of rape or incest.

If it were up to him, an abortion would only be allowed in any case where it is medically necessary to save the life of a mother.

Seems to me that given all the outrage being expressed, Paul Ryan will run but cannot hide for very long from an eager media that is just itching to question him about his co-sponsorship of legislation that more than defines his radical pro-life beliefs.

Paul Ryan has probably had fleeting thoughts of murdering Congressman Todd Akin several times over the past 24 hours.

August 21, 2012 at 2:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Mitt Romney can't be consistent on any of the important issues. He's flipped back and forth on the issue of abortion several times, and there is no other explantion for his doing so, other than to say that he always does it in response to the consensus of opinion of the masses from whom he is seeking to gain the most votes from.

It's anyone's guess at this point where Mitt Romney truly stands on this issue of abortion.

Yesterday, he was crowing that he is for allowing abortion in the case of incest, rape, and to save the life of a mother.

Contrast this to what he had to offer about abortion during the GOP Presidential debates in 2007.

August 21, 2012 at 3 a.m.
EaTn said...

Looks like Romney read the tea leaves wrong again. On the VP pick while looking into the pot of tea, the last name begins with R actually meant Rice.

August 21, 2012 at 3:40 a.m.
joneses said...

Then, there are the rest of those democrats that 'think' the same way as Akin, including Bill Clinton who is the Key Note Speaker at the DNC.

August 21, 2012 at 5:30 a.m.
Reardon said...

Hey Al -- in all seriousness today -- pretend your life was the result of your mother being raped.

How does that magically justify the ending of your life?

If we lived by principles (key factor here which most people struggle doing), a life is a life. Period.

August 21, 2012 at 5:35 a.m.
joneses said...

And let us not forget Bill Clinton who is the poster child for sexual harassment and disrespecting women. The liberals still worship Clinton almost as much as Hussein Obama. And guess what? Bill Clinton is the keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention. Where is the liberal outrage?This is another fine example of liberal hypocrisy.

Clinton's impeachment stemmed from an inquiry by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr into several allegations leveled at the President, including a sexual harassment suit brought by Paula Jones. During his investigation, Starr received tapes of conversations Pentagon employee Linda Tripp made of former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. In the tapes, Lewinsky told Tripp of engaging in sexual activity with the President in the Oval Office. Tripp then asked both Clinton and Lewinsky about the affair, and both, under oath, denied its existence. After Lewinsky was given immunity, she turned over a dress stained with Clinton's semen (and DNA), and Clinton was forced to admit his involvement.

August 21, 2012 at 5:41 a.m.
EaTn said...

Reardon...all who consider the sanctity of life, both before and after birth, may struggle with your example. However, with the mental anguish of rape to a female, especially if it were my mother, I would hope society would accept whatever decision she made.

August 21, 2012 at 5:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

Is Roe vs. Wade still not the law of the land? Why are these idiots still opining on the issue? A woman has the choice and should be allowed to make it without harassment. Alprova makes some good thought provoking points. An ingested solution administered immediately that prevented pregnancy would be an excellent option even if the woman opted not to report a rape to the police.

August 21, 2012 at 5:53 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses...the liberals have not excused Clinton for his affairs, just accepted his apologies. Maybe Akin's constituents will accept his apologies, but the damage to his party has been done just like Clinton damaged his party.

August 21, 2012 at 6:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

Reardon said...

Hey Al -- in all seriousness today -- pretend your life was the result of your mother being raped.

That is not possible for anyone to do. That is no more possible to imagine than it would be for you to imagine your daughter to experience being raped then being required to endure a nine month pregnancy and birth of a kid she didn't plan for or want. You apparently also support the laws that prevent a person of sound mind with a terminable illness that results in a long painful death from avoiding that experience through voluntary termination such as provided by Takvorian who was jailed for aiding those utilizing that option. I assume you also oppose the death penalty for murder when there is zero doubt of guilt regardless of how heinous the crime.

August 21, 2012 at 6:12 a.m.
joneses said...

The problem is the liberals only accept the apologies of the liberals and never accept the apologies of the conservatives which is just plain hypocrisy. I am still waiting on the apology from the liberals for their attacks on Herman Cain for sexual harassment that was never proven. Or the attacks on Clarence Thomas that was never proven. Where is the liberal outrage against Bill Maher for his sexist remarks about Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman? Where is the liberal outrage against Hussein Obama for accepting Bill Maher's million dollar donation? Where is the outrage from the liberals about Bill Maher referring to children with Downs Syndrome as nothing more than dogs? But when a Republican misspeaks you liberals are all over him/her relentlessly. Your hate and hypocrisy is disgusting. And please let us not forget Mr. Weiner.

August 21, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
dude_abides said...

General joneses! There he is in uniform! joneses is the only conservative stupid enough to back Akin. His own party is distancing itself en masse from this pariah, but not joneses. joneses has to pull out his tattered old 'oh, yeah?' list. joneses would be the dipsh!t on the side of the road, arguing with the cop, pointing at all the other cars that are speeding.

August 21, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
mymy said...

77 Day to Go

The Chicago Thug Team is nervous. What an odd Obama at the News Conference yesterday.

Yes, the Repub statement was dumb! He should go! Too bad the left doesn't take quick or any action to their own!

August 21, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey reardon --in all seriousness today-- pretend your daughter was raped by Jesse Mathews, the cop murdering pig. Would you want her to bear that beast? If you don't have a daughter, visualize your wife in big Jesse's arms. Actually, if you can make that statement, you probably don't have much regard for the women in your life to begin with, so...

August 21, 2012 at 7:34 a.m.

Reardon, I can truthfully say I do not consider my existence so important that I would expect my mother to have born me regardless of the circumstances that lead to it. I have thought about it, for other reasons that were different, but still quite tragic, and if given a time machine, I might well choose to change such events that lead to my birth. Assuming the going further back in time to deal with Hitler wasn't available.

harp3339, not for certain groups within the movement, they don't even want such things to be available, and seek to prevent them from being offered. And yes, they do seek to overturn Roe v. Wade, both openly and through crooked design. Like the repressive regulations recently pushed in Kansas and Mississippi.

Sorry, but it's a continuing process.

joneses, conservative apologies tend not to be genuine, but more like carefully chosen statements that serve to show a lack of regret, and instead trying to blame others for it. Like say somebody saying "I'm sorry you made me so mad that I had to hit you." which is just an empty accusation. Just like your attacks blaming liberals for the revelation of Herman Cain's conduct. Which I notice you have no evidence of yourself. The real hatred and hypocrisy comes from you, because instead of actually owning up to any responsibility, you just try to deflect blame. Really, claiming that Bill Clinton thinks the same way as Akin? Do you really have any way to prove that? No? You'd have done better to just stick with the other charges, but that kind of over-the-top BS really shows you aren't offering genuine criticism but trying any hyperbole you can spew out without regard for accuracy.

Which is not surprising from the Party of No Responsibility.

August 21, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses...looks like both conservatives and liberals are more accommodating to accept apologies from their own.

August 21, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.

No way, according to joneses, conservatives are always forthright and honest, it's only the liberals who are partisan, vile and hypocrites.

And would a fine, upstanding poster like joneses, who is always civil and polite possibly be wrong?

Hmm, I wonder if I need a sarcasm tag for this one.

August 21, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Wow glad to see t cartoon boy and his mindless sheep are still at it. When will you ever wake up or does that special kool-aid not allow it? Well how about the war on America that this idiot of a President is taking here is a link I know you will say it is not true because most of you hate facts. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/m-will_obama_keep_power_by_any_means_necessary.html

August 21, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbs: Stick to the crayons.

August 21, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
alprova said...

rogerdodger, if you think that article is chocked full of facts, then your credibility just took a nosedive, big time.

Did you fact check anything contained in that article? I did.

The writer claims that President Obama has issued 900 executive orders. The fact of the matter is that as of July 23, 2012, the President had issued only 135 executive orders, and each and every one of them can be read online.

The executive order numbers quoted in that article were not issued by President Obama. They were issued by John F. Kennedy.

After I found those falsehoods, I dismissed the rest as nothing but pure and unsubstantiated tripe, written purely with the intent that it would be believed by people like yourself.

And after offering that piece of crap as "facts," you have the audacity to call anyone else "mindless" and drinkers of "Kool-aid?"

The American Thinker needs to change its name to the American Liar.

After that one, I'll never consider reading a thing offered by that site.

August 21, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Joneses made several outstanding points and you liberal’s cherry picked his posting and then attacked him without commenting on his points. I am going to list Joneses points in a different way and ask the liberals here to comment on them IF they can. What do you think about the attack(s) made by the below listed people where no one spoke up nor demanded an apology from them: 1. The attacks on Herman Cain 2. The attacks on Clarence Thomas 3. Bill Maher & Oblamea accepting Maher’s million dollars? 4. Bill Maher vial attacks.

I will only add one more. What Bill “Slick Willy” Clinton did with Monica in the oval office is one thing (I always say, a whiskey glass and a women’s a$$ will make a horses a$$ out of you) but lying to the American people and then lying under oath is what the main point is. Clinton committed a felony and now this liar is the keynote speaker! WOW the libs sure have lowered the bar. (Stick Willy calls that stain on Monica’s dress, “Arkansas Snapple”)

We have elected people in both parties that are sharp as a marble and when they display their stupidity it should be covered and commented on fairly by both parties and the sock puppet press.

August 21, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
jen1972 said...

SO, I've been reading the comments here for a while now and I have noticed that there are several regular posters. Angry posters. My question- do any of you have jobs? You seem to spend every morning and afternoon posting hateful things back and forth to each other. And if you are fortunate enough to be retired or independently wealthy, have you considered volunteering for some worthwhile charity? Because you are not going to change each other's minds, you know. You are probably just raising your own blood pressure and nothing more. You could spend this time doing something worthwhile. And if you happen to be disabled, I guarantee you are not doing your health any favors with all of this anger and hate.

August 21, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
joneses said...

Well the weather has cooled so the liberals cannot focus on the man made global warming lie. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obamas failed economy. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama's failed continued war in Afghanistan with no clear objective. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama raping medicare of 716 billion dollars to pay for his socialized Obamacare. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama being responsible for the high gas prices. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama being responsible for the largest tax increase since WWII. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama adding 6 trillion dollars to the debt with nothing to show for it. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama's rising 8.3% unemployment rate. The liberals cannot focus on more people being in poverty and on welfare under Hussein Obama than any president ever. The liberals cannot focus on Hussein Obama being the first president ever to be responsible for the lowering of America's credit rating. So all they have is a lie called "war on women"? It is amazing watching these fools grasp at their own lies to pursue their failed socialized agenda. You know the saying, liberals think conservatives are evil and conservatives know liberals are just plain stupid. Look at how the liberals support failed policies and a fool in the White House.

August 21, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

joneses: about sums it up.

August 21, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "Hey Al -- in all seriousness today -- pretend your life was the result of your mother being raped."

How can I do that? How can anyone do that? How many babies do you think are born in the United States after being conceived as a result of an act of rape?

We do not live in a third world country.

"does that magically justify the ending of your life?"

Magically? No. There's no magic involved. But a human child deserves to be created through an act of mutual consent at the very least.

A woman is not a bitch dog in heat, where every male within sniffing distance is allowed to try and mount her as nature's way of procreating. It most certainly is not anything that could ever be described as God's plan for any woman.

And forgive me for typing it, but anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot of the highest order.

"we lived by principles (key factor here which most people struggle doing), a life is a life. Period."

I pray that you never have to test drive that particular principle in real life, which you and I both know will never happen as you are a male.

But let's say that a female very close to you is raped and impregnated as a result. Are you confident that she will agree with that particular principle and "magically" go on to give birth to the child.

Are you so convinced of your principles that you will love such a child, or would you become an advocate for putting such a child up for adoption, thinking that you have done the right thing?

A life may be a life, but an unwanted child is an unwanted child, and there are too many of them already. People who are eager to adopt, want infants. Babies are cute. Once they are walking and talking, a child's chances of being adopted nosedive to almost zero.

All of this talk about principles is nothing short of pure theory on your part. You have no idea what you would do because you will never be faced with making such a decision relevant to your own life.

What gives you any right to dictate to one female on this planet, that she should give birth to a child created through an act of rape?

You will never have that life growing in your body. You will not have to look at it when it is born. You will never have to decide how it is possible to love such a child conceived as a result of such a violent act.

Your "principle" is pure crap.

August 21, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Do you sometimes even annoy yourself?

August 21, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
moonpie said...

Thank you Mr. Akin for being a glowing example of the ignorance we can expect when we devalue sex education, education, and science.

Is this an example of American Exceptionalism?

August 21, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
joneses said...

Jack,

These liberals even lie about what we post on here. One said I support what Akin said which is a lie and another said, I think conservatives are always forthright and honest which is another lie as I never said that either. Their whole discussion is based on how well they lie. Why cannot they put focus on all of Hussein Obama's failures? It is as if they are supporting someone they are actually ashamed of just like they do with Bill Clinton. These liberals are an amazing lot and there is no logic to their reasoning. Can you imagine how hard it is being a liberal supporting people they are actually ashamed of? I sure am glad I am not one of them.

August 21, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU CAN'T COMPARE APPLES WITH BULLDOZERS

You tea baggers cannot defend Akin's comments or the legislation Paul Ryan co-sponsored so you argue that sexual harassment is somehow in the same league with denying a rape victim an abortion.

I was wondering how long it would take the "liberal press" to actually notice what the republican party has been up to. Paul Ryan may only be a representative, but he's chairman of the House Budget Committee. If a reporter doesn't have time to look over his voting record AT LEAST check out legislation he CO-SPONSORED! Shouldn't be too much to ask.

I also wonder how Paul Ryan will answer the questions, What's the difference between forced rape and the regular kind? Do you believe rape victims can't get pregnant? Do you think the government should arrest every rape victim that seeks an abortion?

I've got my popcorn ready.

August 21, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

joneses: Libruls play by "feel", not facts. They "feel" they have the moral high-ground. They "feel" intellectual. They "feel" like the pubs have a war on women. It's disgusting, but kinda amusing in a way. Libruls, thanks for the grins.

August 21, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's a list of sex scandals compiled in 2009, it seems that republicans don't have the market cornered on scandals. In other words, you democrats better not throw stones as you house is made of glass.

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/democrat-scandals-you-wouldnt-hear-from-the-liberal-mainstream-media/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-gaggle/2009/06/25/sex-scandals-through-the-years-both-parties-even.html

August 21, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
mtngrl said...

The biggest problems with Akin's statement (and he is not the only one to have said what he did) is how it completely discredits many rape victims. If someone who is a victim of “legitimate rape” can't get pregnant then these idiots are actually telling anyone who has been impregnated by a rapist that their rape was not legitimate, or they actually wanted it.

I posted this the other day but it seems more appropriate here:

National Catholic Reporter,an independent news source, where civil and canon attorney and Duquesne School of Law Professor Nicholas Cafardi deems President Obama the most pro-life candidate in the 2012 Presidential election. Sorry Romney supporters.

http://ncronline.org/news/politics/which-presidential-candidate-truly-pro-life

The above is only for those who actually believe in life after birth.

August 21, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
joneses said...

Jack,

I find it amusing that with all of Hussein Obama's failure all these liberals want to discuss is sex. They think a man putting his reproductive organ into another man's digestive tract is love. Now they are focused on rape. What is it with liberals and sex? Kinda makes you wish warm weather would reappear so they would get focused again on the liberal lie of man made global warming. They are a weird bunch these liberals.

August 21, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
Walden said...

Alprova responded thusly to Reardon:

"Reardon wrote: "Hey Al -- in all seriousness today -- pretend your life was the result of your mother being raped."

How can I do that? How can anyone do that? How many babies do you think are born in the United States after being conceived as a result of an act of rape?

We do not live in a third world country.

"does that magically justify the ending of your life?"

Magically? No. There's no magic involved. But a human child deserves to be created through an act of mutual consent at the very least.

A woman is not a bitch dog in heat, where every male within sniffing distance is allowed to try and mount her as nature's way of procreating. It most certainly is not anything that could ever be described as God's plan for any woman.

And forgive me for typing it, but anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot of the highest order."

Alprova - in your haste to demonize Reardon and all conservatives, you missed the point of his question entirely. It was really quite simple, but very profound.

All he was asking was, if you woke up tomorrow and found out via some old letter or something that you were in fact conceived because your mother was raped, wouldn't you be glad that she made the decision to have you? I mean, I assume you are a guy somewhere in your 50's/60's or thereabout, and I would imagine you are happy to be alive, no?

August 21, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Do you mopes really want to base your vote on the incest/rape/abortion question? So a moron in a senate race should indicate how you vote for president? Holy Moly.

August 21, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I must have missed it when Akin was put on the presidential ticket.

I suppose the democrats are ALWAYS proud of their elected officials. We all know the lib/dems are as pure as the driven snow. This means they all stand behind every word from Biden's mouth.

August 21, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Jack_Dennis said...

Do you mopes really want to base your vote on the incest/rape/abortion question? So a moron in a senate race should indicate how you vote for president? Holy Moly.

Jack, Since Romney chose Ryan as a running mate it is very legitimate. Ryan and Akin are co-sponsors on actual bills in the house that do exactly what Akin was discussing.

Akin and Ryan were the original co-sponsors of the controversial bill H.R. 3, “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” which initially included language which changed the definition of “rape” to “forcible rape,”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/todd-akin-paul-ryan-and-the-very-real-war-on-women

Ryan and Akin also support the "Personhood" idiocy that would ban not only abortion but most forms of birth control including all with the highest effectiveness rates. It could also ban IVF which is used by many who WANT to bring babies into this world. This was something even Mississippi couldn't vote for and they want it nationally.

For them it is not just talk, they have introduced legislation in congress.

August 21, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Don't be surprised Jack. The democrats voted for Robert Byrd for almost 60 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0

And yet Robert Byrd was and still a hero of the democrats. Freakin' hypocrites.

August 21, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Another point to my 9:20 a.m. (which received nothing but Crickets from the liberals on here) The below lawmaker pulled a Clinton with a 17 year old boy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/21/minnesota-lawmaker-urged-to-step-aside-after-rest-stop-liaison-with-17-year-old/

August 21, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bob: What's the problem? He was a democrat, it's no big deal then. You know it's only bad when a republican does wrong.

August 21, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BobMKE: thanks. you won't see this on MSNBC or network news.

August 21, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mtngull: What's the distinction between rape and forced rape?

August 21, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

If the dems hate Akin so much, then why would they spend $1.5 million trying to get him elected? Huh...very creepy...

August 21, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

(CBS News) MANCHESTER, N.H. - Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan's strong views on abortion took a back seat to his new boss's view in a Romney-Ryan campaign response to a Missouri Senate candidate's controversial remarks about rape and abortion.

The statement on behalf of Ryan and presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney said the pair would "not oppose abortion in instances of rape."

August 21, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

J_D says: "Libruls play by "feel", not facts. They "feel" they have the moral high-ground. They "feel" intellectual. They "feel" like the pubs have a war on women. It's disgusting, but kinda amusing in a way. Libruls, thanks for the grins."

Yes, thanks for the grins, JD. This is too, too funny. How do today's conservatives deny the facts but cling to their ideology just because it "feels" right? Ah, let me count the ways: Anthropogenic (that's human caused, JD. Now you won't have to look it up. Oh wait, you don't look things up anyway, you just go by what "feels" right) global warming has been proven to be real and 98% of climate scientists throughout the world are in agreement after years of research, but you choose to believe the spurious data of pseudo-scientists and shills paid off by big business instead. Evolution is real and it is a fact that the world is over 4 billion years old but most righties prefer to believe biblical myths and the fairy tale of creationism in which the world is a mere 6000 years old. Bush lied to make a case for his wicked, immoral war in Iraq but you righties prefer to deny the facts of the case and wave your flags anyway and pretend our soldiers are fighting to "keep us free." Obama is not even close to being a socialist or Marxist and he in fact is a strong believer in the free enterprise system but you righties keep calling him a Marxist and a socialist because you simply "feel" the hate for him so much. You wrap yourselves in the flag because it "feels" good, you believe in an invisible God that defies any factual existence because it "feels" good to do so. I could go on and on and on. You couldn't care less about cold hard facts or scientific data; you're all about the irrational warm-and-fuzzies that make you "feel" that your anger and hatred are justified.

August 21, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
Reardon said...

Wow.

You guys are such Machievalians (sp).

A life is a life until it is inconvenient?

Is a human lifeform any less from a rape, incest, etc.?

Naturally, I can never understand or experience what it's like to have been rape and impregnated.

...But the experience NEVER justifies death; the ending of a life.

That's the great philisophical divide between us. Some things are black and white. Human life is one of them. Regardless of how ugly the circumstances.

PS: Alprova advocates that murder is in the eye of the beholder? IE -- unwanted, unloved is a reason to put someone to death?

August 21, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.

Jen1972, well I appreciate your not singling any particular side out, which makes for an excellent display of neutrality, I think you'll find that across the internet there are millions of people that fit that description.

And have been for decades. What are you going to do? Start a internet petition? I'm just hoping that some of the examples spend all of their effort online and not do anything of consequence.

BobMKE, several of joneses accusations were false, your blind support of them shows your own biases. The accusations against Herman Cain? Didn't prove they came from liberals (especially telling considering Joneses had just got done on a tirade against such claims), let alone that they weren't legitimate. Sorry, but I think Joneses is actually a false-flag agent meant to convince you to discredit yourself by supporting him.

Walden, maybe you didn't notice my answer, but I know the circumstances my mother lived under, and I would not hesitate to offer my life to spare her from it.

TOES02800, actually with the way conservatives act with total indifference to their own failings, I think you'll find that the opposite is true.

Or haven't you noticed your own tendencies?

August 21, 2012 at noon
mtngrl said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"mtngull: What's the distinction between rape and forced rape?"

Ask your VP nominee, its his bill.

All rape is forced rape by definition. Ryan (and Akin) seem to believe some is not. Their bill could rule out statutory rape or even date rape since they see being drugged as somehow consentual

August 21, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo: No hatred here. Your side has the monopoly on that. BTW, Ricky. You have some cold, hard facts about the absence of God? Hmmm?

August 21, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
conservative said...

Reardon, you are correct. A miniscule of abortions are done for the reason of rape. The vast majority of abortions are performed for convenience sake and that is where the discussion should be.

These killing of the unborn for convenience sake can not be justified in any way ; those who try only expose their evil hearts.

August 21, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

I find it simply amazing that the democrats seem to think what Akin said ( which I agree was totally worng & stupid) is worse than one of their own having oral sex with a 17 year old. Yeah funny how cartoon boy don't mention that. Minnesote Democratic House of Represenitive caught having oral sex with 17 year old boy, guess thats ok with you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191164/Kerry-Gauthier-Democratic-lawmaker-called-resign-having-oral-sex-teen-bushes.html#ixzz248mVotay

August 21, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Toes, dont throw out facts it really confuses them. The next thing you know they will start with the name calling then complain about those that call people names. Drunks on kool-aid have no hope.

August 21, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
degage said...

Jen1972, right on. They stay up every night to be the first to post on a new cartoon. I check in the morning to get my laugh of the day or my blood circulating.Doesn'tmatter what you comment the regulars are ready to pounce.

August 21, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Do you mopes really want to base your vote on the incest/rape/abortion question?"

Nope! I want to base my vote on a candidate who has the capacity to think in terms of serving the entire country, rather than a candidate who panders to his base and intends to work only for those who paid the big bucks to get him elected. I also want to base my vote on a candidate who has the ability to think before acting and has the ability to perceive complex issues in their entirety. For both reasons, Romney does not deserve my vote.

August 21, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey MT John who do you think funded Obama's campaign four years ago? Oh yeah, that is just another fact you dont want to admit

August 21, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Alprova - in your haste to demonize Reardon and all conservatives, you missed the point of his question entirely. It was really quite simple, but very profound."

I didn't demonize anyone.

"All he was asking was, if you woke up tomorrow and found out via some old letter or something that you were in fact conceived because your mother was raped, wouldn't you be glad that she made the decision to have you?"

I know what he was asking, and it's simply pointless to even discuss it. I live in reality and rarely find any discussion of hypothetical situations to be productive at all.

But if you really want an answer to that question, I would rather not exist than to have been conceived as a result of rape.

"I mean, I assume you are a guy somewhere in your 50's/60's or thereabout, and I would imagine you are happy to be alive, no?"

Of course I am happy to be alive, but then I was conceived by two people who were in love and who were lawfully married at thge time, so any discussion of my being a product of rape is merely hypothetical and therefore pointless.

August 21, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.

Reardon, yes, homicide is a highly variable thing, and if you truly believe that the taking of another life is wrong, I can respect you for it, but I'm going to have to ask for you to confirm it.

Please express your disdain for executions, self-defense murders, cops using guns, the military killing people, and so forth.

If you have a more nuanced view, then please stop pretending you're on a pedestal.

But let me ask you this, why wouldn't you want to prevent somebody suffering the trauma of rape? Is your life so very important that you wouldn't give it to spare another misery?

I know I would. I've thought about it myself, for personal reasons.

rogerdodger, like it or not, it wasn't criminal in that state, they were both over the age of consent. Your decision to try to exploit a sexual act by an individual that was in no way a violation of the law but you just think is reprehensible is nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention from a false representation that would be used as a way to justify changing the laws to reflect an entirely dishonest position that is being used to cover from what is really a repressive and controlling agenda.

But ok, let's assume you actually have noble motivations, and aren't just trying to exploit it for your own purposes. If you want to argue for the laws in Minnesota, or the nation to be changed, to increase the age of consent, fair enough, but make that argument on its own instead of trying to shoehorn it into another discussion as a distraction. I'm sure we'll love having yet another example of the sex police springing into action. Perhaps you'll seek to overturn Lawrence v. Texas or Griswold v. Connecticut too!

degage, and then we have such productive people who do nothing but spew insults for what others do, and think that makes them better!

But who's really bad, the person who posts when they want, or the person who just has to insult them based on it?

August 21, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
timbo said...

The first thing I have disagreed on with Drew Johnson. Bennett is a no-talent idiot. This was dumb.

More of Obama's divide a conquer scenario. The question is are women so dumb they can't see when smoke is being blown up their dress.

August 21, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
mymy said...

Geez! The Dictator want to be is at it again!

State Department replacing online country profiles, highlighting Obama policies

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/21/state-department-replaces-country-profiles/#ixzz24Cn7vPg9

August 21, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.

nooga, can't be. There's not enough self-awared medals.

August 21, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
mtngrl said...

tu_quoque, every one of those methods would be illegal if Ryan's personhood bill ever passed

August 21, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
LibDem said...

Mr. Akin appears to have been on message for his constituency. Some Republicans appear to be backing away, but I think it's his electability (Is that a word?), not his message.

Right to Lifers seem to think that pregnancy and unwanted children are the just punishment for sex. If my Mom chose abortion, I would neither know nor care.

August 21, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

So Unhappy let me get this straight. You are more ok with a sitting Represenitive have oral sex with a 17 year old kid than someone saying something stupid that btw he has apologized for mulitple time. Yes I know that does not change the fact he said it. But do we really want to start recalling how many things Obama has mis-spoke or just flat out lied about.

August 21, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

noogies: Spew that vitriol...that's what your ilk does best.

August 21, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett is a bore!

The only difference between dems and reps is that the press lets us know when the later does something stupid.

August 21, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
joneses said...

Did you know Hussein Obama said we will be out of Afghanistan in 2014 and still has no clear objective? Hussein Obama wants our soldiers to keep fighting for nothing. why does he not just pull out now? What a pathetic leader.

August 21, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
joneses said...

Did you hear Hussein Obama after two months spoke to his press corp? With Iran threatening Israel, China threatening Japan, the bad economy, high gas prices, his 6 trillion dollars added to the debt, his cutting Medicare by 716 billon dollars, and high unemployment all this pathetic occupier of the White House had to say to the press corps was some stupid remark about Todd Aiken's stupid remark. Does that tell you where Hussein Obama's mind is? Hussein Obama's mind is not on anything that matters to Americans or will help Americans.

August 21, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
BobMKE said...

As of this time Rep. Todd Akin has still not dropped out of the race and is thinking over the advice he got from several of his Democratic friends to enter the "Catch All" treatment center because there is a room available after a Democrat left today.

August 21, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
joneses said...

Seven Huge Flaws in the Way Liberals Think 1) Liberals believe they can change human nature. Sure, human beings can be shaped and molded to a certain extent. Any parent who has spanked a child can tell you that. However, most people care more about what they're having for lunch today than an earthquake that kills ten thousand people on the other side of the world. We're just built that way and no amount of sensitivity training, preschool classes, or Michael Moore documentaries is going to "fix" it. 2) Liberals believe we can talk everything out with our enemies. One of the weirder quirks of liberalism is their belief that many of our bitterest enemies have rational reasons for disliking us and that can easily be talked away if they realize we're good people. Hence, the common liberal refrain of, "Why do they hate us?" The reason this is a particularly odd belief is that liberals don't even believe this about conservatives in the United States. The average liberal thinks that if we're nice enough, we can reach an understanding with Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck can't be reasoned with. 3) Liberals don't have enough respect for our culture and traditions: To liberals, our cultural, economic, and political norms were formed by backwards troglodytes making arbitrary decisions based on superstition and racism. Unfortunately for them, as a general rule, that's not so and proceeding as if it is, will often lead to exactly the same difficulties that our ancestors already dealt with in times past. No matter how smart we are, as Thomas Sowell would say, our wisdom is often no match for the "distilled experience of millions who faced similar human vicissitudes before." Truly wise people are aware that there is a great deal that they do not know.

August 21, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
joneses said...

4) Liberalism is a fundamentally immoral political philosophy. Ironically, given all their talk about "shades of gray," liberals have a very Manichean view of the world. They consider their fellow travelers to be on the side of the angels, while the people who disagree with them are treated as evil. This leads to an "anything goes" mentality when dealing with their foes: ignoring the law via a "living constitution," politically based prosecutions, shouting down opposing speakers, and treating lying about their agenda or opponents to be moral. On the other hand, liberals will support other libs, no matter how corrupt, sleazy, or vile they are as long as they're politically useful to the left. See Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, John Murtha, and Robert Byrd for examples of that. In other words, as Margaret Thatcher has said of the Left, "For them, the end always seems to justify the means." 5) Liberals believe merely being liberal makes them good people. Liberals who're obsessed with money think they're compassionate because they give away other people's tax dollars. They believe they care more about the earth than other people, even as they fly around in private jets, because they babble on about global warming. They can be dumb as a rock, but believe they're smarter than most other people because they're liberals. In other words, in the minds of most liberals, liberalism is an all-purpose substitute for actual virtue instead of just another political philosophy.

August 21, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
joneses said...

6) Liberals have too much faith in government. Even most liberals would admit that government regularly fails the people. If you don't believe that, just ask them about the Bush Administration and they'll give you an earful. However, liberals tend to believe that with the right person in charge, government won't be so slow, stupid, inefficient, and badly run. Human history proves that they're wrong about that. 7) Liberals have minimal interest in whether the programs they support work or not. To most liberals, whether a government program betters people's lives is completely irrelevant to whether they'll support it. A program that doesn't work and costs billions, but sounds compassionate and helps Democrats politically is a huge success in the eyes of the Left. Once you understand that liberals think this way, their baffling support for programs that make no "common sense" is much easier to understand.

August 21, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

I suppose the plus side is there will be one less complete idiot in Congress.

534 to go.

I did come across this beauty shot of the interior of the Romney bus. He's got the full "man cave" vibe going.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/caucus-click-on-the-romney-bus/

August 21, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Rickyroo: No hatred here. Your side has the monopoly on that. BTW, Ricky. You have some cold, hard facts about the absence of God? Hmmm?" - J_D

Yeah, JD, you're a veritable Mr. Rogers, just hangin' out in the neighborhood and wishing everybody a nice day, no matter whether they're a lefty, righty, or in between. No vitriol ever spews from your lips, does it? Especially not against us lefties. Hmmm?

As for me showing some cold hard facts about the absence of God, I don't need to. I am agnostic. I don't make any claims that God does or does not exist and I will not do so until I have more than just blind faith to "prove" or "disprove" his/her/its existence. It is the preposterous, childish notion of the Christian concept of a judging God who condemns or rewards on the basis of belief alone that I totally disavow. One does not need scientific proof to know that that sort of God does not exist - just an IQ above 50.

August 21, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Family Research Council is having a slow day walking back their statements:

Todd Akin is getting a very bad break here. We support him fully and completely . . . I know nothing about the science or the legal implications of his statement.

Connie Mackay, Family Research Council Action PAC , August 20, 2012

I think his comments were indefensible. I think they were inappropriate. He’s acknowledged as such. But you know, when others have made mistakes, you haven’t seen the entire Republican establishment abandon him. I think it’s somewhat suspect.

Tony Perkins, Family Research Council, August 21, 2012

  • And two more gems

I found Todd Akin’s comments about rape victims outrageous and way over the line. He needs to apologize.

-- Senator Scott Brown (R-MA)

This was where Perkins went when asked about that statement:

For other Republicans, I have not seen Scott Brown’s statement, but he should be careful because based on some of his statements there may be some call for him to get out of his race.

-- Tony Perkins, Family Research Council, August 20, 2012

August 21, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
Reardon said...

Al -- man, you crack me up.

I know you are not stupid. Are you just not purposely engaging in my argument's premise? Because you can't be too dense to understand my simple point.

There's nothing theoretical -- unless you are a Machievellian (look it up boys and girls). Life is life is life!

Whether or not there's LOVE... HATE... Consensual, non-consensual, unreleated, related...

NONE of that changes the fact that the LIFEFORM within the woman IS a human being!

However, Al, in his Socialistic, Machievellian form, insinuates there are different classifications of human beings, dictated by the whims of the "experience" of the woman who bears the child.

Think I'm full of sh*t? Read into his response.

And for all you denseheads out there, I'm not ADVOCATING or LEGITIMIZING rape. I'm advocating the EQUALITY of HUMAN LIFE. No matter the circumstance.

You hypocrites amaze me -- you want EQUALITY without the DARK SIDE that sometimes comes with it.

As the record stands for myself. YOU can do what YOU want with YOUR life as long as you DON'T HARM OTHERS. Want to jump off the bridge because your life is miserable? OK.

Want to murder the neighbor? WRONG. Want to kill the man who you think is going to kill you? SURE -- just be able to prove it in court.

Want to KILL a human life form because your uncle raped you? I'm sorry... truly sorry... for your situation and circumstances... but that does NOT give you the RIGHT to kill a human being!

Want to murder the murderer? WRONG -- it's not the Code of Hammurabi here. I advocate isolated work camps to squeeze productivity out of 'em. They don't want to work? They don't eat.

Bottom line -- you either have to take IT ALL -- even the unconfortable part. Otherwise, you have no principles (like Al and most other Socialists) and you are subject to ever-changing whims.

August 21, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
mtngrl said...

So who are you voting for Reardon?

"Obama's Affordable Care Act does not pay for abortions. In Massachusetts, Romney's health care law does. Obama favors, and included in the Affordable Care Act, $250 million of support for vulnerable pregnant women and alternatives to abortion. This support will make abortions much less likely, since most abortions are economic. Romney, on the other hand, has endorsed Wisconsin Republican Paul Ryan's budget, which will cut hundreds of millions of dollars out of the federal plans that support poor women. The undoubted effect: The number of abortions in the United States will increase. On these facts, Obama is much more pro-life than Romney."

http://ncronline.org/news/politics/which-presidential-candidate-truly-pro-life

August 21, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

The behavior of some in congress and the high census of violent criminals in prisons indicate abortion may occur too seldom. Birth rates and immigration needs to slow to no more than economic growth or those issues can be ignored and insist all candidates get serious and specific about how work opportunities are going to be developed at a rate needed to reduce unemployment to less than 4%. Low unemployment drives up wages as employers bid for people. Some may be old enough to recall the fast foods offering higher pay and benefits when there was a labor shortage.

I used the term work opportunities after watching an interview of a young unemployed female that said she was not accepting a job not in her desired field of work which was some feel good position that required no physical effort. When ask if she had experience or education her response was no but since I want to do that kind of work so bad I can be trained.

Interviewers notice applicant responses when ask why they applied for the job they are offering. they hear things like "I need a job", "I need to work" "I can do the work you are offering", "I need a check coming in", "my parents are insisting I get a job" "I don't like the way my current employer treats people". Which would you be more interested in knowing more about.

August 21, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Reardon, it's so touching how precious all of life seems to be to you. I am assuming you also oppose the death penalty, and you must be a pacifist?

August 21, 2012 at 5 p.m.
miraweb said...

I worked in the emergency department of a Catholic hospital some years back. We were the first stop for women reporting rapes. The police would bring the victim in. A doctor would make an examination, usually additionally traumatic for the young lady, and prepare an evidence lock-box for the court.

Even at this Catholic hospital located in a very conservative state, the woman would then be given a "morning after" pill regimen to help prevent a pregnancy. This was relatively common and we kept a locker full of "kits" at all times.

I am guessing that Ryan's narrow views would find that procedure unacceptable.

We seem to have a growing amount of ignorance in high places and I am always stunned when it flings itself out into the public discourse. It is probably the best argument for more women in government that we have.

August 21, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Now the GOP who is calling for Akin to drop out, is adopting Akin's view over Romney's for their platform:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79945.html?hp=l4

TAMPA, Fla. — Even as Mitt Romney sought to quash the furor surrounding Todd Akin’s “legitimate” rape comments, the Republican platform committee here approved an abortion plank that includes no exemptions for rape, incest or even to save the life of the mother.

The platform committee instead approved draft language Tuesday, calling for a “Human Life Amendment” that gives legal protection to the unborn. Democrats quickly labeled the GOP language the “Akin Plank,” referring to the Missouri Senate candidate’s statements that victims of “legitimate rape” rarely get pregnant.

August 21, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.
NGAdad said...

tu_quoque said...

"With these pharmaceuticals available and even provided free if economic need is proven then it looks to me that the debate over abortions for rape or incest is of very little consequence. All of this talk about forcing thousands of women to birth rape induced creatures is overblown B.S. It’s just a diversionary tactic from the real issue of government funded abortions and the rights of states to limits it’s availability. The Libtards as usual are trying to use the emotional issues of rape and incest to win the debate."

THANK YOU TU !! I will take this to every place I can to show just how evil you wingnuts are. You are saying that because a pill or procedure exists that RAPE is not a big deal. YOU MAKE ME SICK, you idiot.

August 21, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

The GOP platform vote was definately on a bad day with the Akin drama. I don't really think, however, it is a matter of bad timing - it is a matter of a bad platform.

It is a stock statement that was worked up 30 years ago and has never been revised -- even though polling shows the vast majority of Republicans do not have abortion views as radical as those in the GOP platform.

How in the world is it getting reaffirmed every four years if the majority of the party doesn't buy it?

August 21, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

It looks like Akin is running with the perception that he is clueless, tone deaf, and has trouble taking good advice:

If you were in Romney’s position, don’t you think that he may have bid this thing up and made a bigger deal about it than he needed to?

Why couldn’t he run his race and I run mine. If things really look like they’re getting in trouble in Missouri than maybe — but he has just assumed.

  • Todd Akin to Sean Hannity, Aug 21, 2012
August 21, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
joneses said...

The Democrat Party has a bad day every day Hussein Obama is destroying America.

August 21, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
joneses said...

And guess what liberals, Clinton never did apologize for his perverted affair with Monica Lewinsky. He said he takes full responsibility, duh, but he never apologized. And you still give him a pass to be the headliner speaker at the Democrat Socialist Party's Convention. The liberal hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

August 21, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
joneses said...

Barney Frank never apologized for having an affair with a male prostitute and you liberals gave him a pass as well.

August 21, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
joneses said...

mtgirl

You are being lied to. Hussein Obama has supported the killing of live babies his whole political career. As a state senator in the Illinois legislature, Hussein Obama torpedoed SB.1082 which would have required medical providers to give normal medical attention to infants born alive during an abortion. In other words, without this bill if a mother is trying to abort her pregnancy, but the baby is born alive anyway, the doctor could kill it or not provide it with life sustaining care without the passage of this bill. So, Obama is, indeed, a baby killer. Or at the very least, sees nothing wrong with killing them or letting them die of neglect. His first vote to let these murders take place was when he voted "present" (essentially "no" in the Illinois senate) on SB.1095. But the biggie came on SB.1082.

But, in order to swoon the swelling masses of blinded followers he has amassed, Obama has been lying about the reasons he shot down the Senate bill. According to his original explanation, the federal legislation that had passed unanimously (and which the Illinois version was modeled after), included a clause stating that the bill was not to be construed to protect anything but babies born alive. Obama claimed the Illinois version did not contain that clause, and so he could not vote for it. But it turns out that the Illinois bill did contain the provision, and not only did Obama know it, he voted to put it there.

This is fact and if you dispute this you will prove to all of us exactly how blind you are.

August 21, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
joneses said...

The GOP cannot do or say anything worst than what Hussein Obama is doing to this country.

August 21, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.

rogerdodger, here's examples of misspeaking:

Mispronouncing the word Sikh. Mixing up how many states you've been to. Forgetting which three federal agencies you want to eliminate.

What Akin did was make an utterly false statement with no validity at all.

And he used that to justify his approach to the law. Not just misspeaking, but presenting his how he wanted the law changed. And I have no doubt whatsoever that he still feels the way he did before he was called on it, he's just trying to deflect the outrage, not genuinely repenting. His statements reflect not a recognition of the seriousness of his error, but an attempt to diminish them as being misspeaking. You may buy it. I don't.

Now if you're opposed to somebody having sex with a 17 year old, you can work to change the age of consent in the states where that is legal. I think that's a majority of them actually (well, it's lower really, 16 for many with various exceptions and qualifications), though at least the federal government does forbid crossing state lines...for a whole two years later.

But don't pretend you're doing anything but seeking a distraction by using it here. If you truly cared about revising age of consent laws, you wouldn't be trying to use it as a weapon.

Reardon, as I thought, you do find ways to justify the taking of a life. So get down off the pedestal you've put yourself on.

What you think is a case of no principles is actually a case of different ones from yours. You can try to misrepresent it, as usual from a conservative, your use of "socialist" as a pejorative is a clue to how you're just mouthing the party hate line, but that doesn't make it true.

People can have different principles, and nuance, and you may not understand it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

But don't go pretending to us you think all life is sacred when you are really just trying to degrade others with falsehoods.

Rickaroo, there are people who I can respect for their utter commitment to the sanctity of life. Jains for example. Reardon doesn't measure up.

mirabweb, why yes they do want to ban such options, and they even want to give Pharmacists the right to DENY serving people who have had an abortion. Conscience clauses and so forth. This is why I don't believe for a second that Akin feels sorry for anything other than being called out.

August 21, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
degage said...

Happy, What is your proof for the last statement you made about pharmacists right to deny serving people who have had an abortion. How is the pharmacist going to know anyone has had an abortion. I can't look at someone and see if they have had one can you? So it stands to reason the pharmasist can't either. Kind of a stupid statement unless you meant something else and didn't know how to state it.

August 21, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Unhappy are really that much in the punch bowl? Do you not realize just how silly you are by trying to defend a grown man in a position of authority having oral sex with a 17 year old "KID". Only because he is a democrat that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I just wonder how you would feel if it was your child or a member of your family. I dont care about Akin & have said he was wrong but do not try to compair the two because of your childish hatred towards republicans. They are both wrong and neither deserve to be in ploitics. I dont care what party they are in. It is truly sad that people are so blinded they will vote, support or stand behind a person on nothing more than their political affiliation. That is the exact reason this country is in the shape it is in today.

August 21, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Dizzy 123456 here is a little research not from one of your totally BIASED feeds you like to post from. I know you hate facts and will try your best to deny them and of course will be proven wrong yet again. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/21/niall-ferguson-defends-newsweek-cover-correct-this-bloggers.html

August 21, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

What Akins said was stupid and I am not going to defend what he said, but as others have posted he has apologized, but the left is still outraged.

For all of the liberal women who are outraged over Akins comments I would like for you to think about this.

Where was your outraged when Juanita Broaddrick said she was raped by Bill Jefferson (BJ) Clinton? Did you defend her? Or did you attack her with the rest of the liberals and liberal media?

Where were all of you when Kathleen Willey accused BJ Clinton of groping her? Did you defend her or did you turn your back on her and attack her with the rest of the liberals and the liberal media?

Now, I do not recall Akins being accused of rape or groping any women like BJ Clinton was. Where was your outrage over Clintons behavior?

Where was the outrage from you liberal women when CBS reported Laura Logan was raped by members of the Muslim Brotherhood and CBS did not want report the incident and only reported it after other news outlets caught wind of it.

Where was your outrage when Obama never issued a public statement condenming the rape, but he holds his first press conference in two months to address the stupid comment Akins made.

Liberal women are the ones who are in denial.

August 21, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

More wasted keystrokes from the bulbs. No libs here want to answer the question though. Why would your democrats spend $1.5 million to get Akin elected? Keep dodging the question, any answers from the peanut gallery? Or will you just change the subject like good little liberals...?

August 21, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
degage said...

easy, Happy said they could refuse a woman that has had an abortion. The first link said they could refuse to fill the emergency contrecption which is most likely the morning after pill. That has nothing to do with the woman having had an abortion, which is what happy said. I still say you can't tell when a woman has had an abortion by the sight of her. I was pointing that out.

August 21, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.

Degage, turns out pharmacists know what drugs are prescribed for what conditions. Something to do with professional knowledge. And yes, there was a real life incident. You must have missed it. Read some of the links, then you won't look so ignorant. Try the Walgreen's pharmacist in Idaho. And yes, there are still people who support that pharmacist's actions. After all, if somebody had an abortion, who cares if they bled to death?

Maybe instead of attacking me, you should explain where you stand on that principle. No wait, you'd rather go on the attack. Especially telling since the real ignorance was yours.

Rogerdodger, you're confused. I'm attacking your feigned concern for it as an attempt to distract us from the very real issue of the positions of the Republican party on the subject of rape and abortions.

See I know you don't really care about it. You're just trying to contrast the two because of your hatred of Democrats. It is truly sad that you will exploit something like that in order to stir up trouble in order to dismiss a real issue wiuth a politician statimg somnething utterly false in order to justify their position on a subject. That's the reason the country is in the state it is, pretenders like you who can't even realize what you're actually doing.

Or if you truly do care about the age of consent laws, will we see you participating in any of the organizations working on that issue? I have my doubts.

Rick, yep, because we don't believe Akin has repented or retracted his views for a second. Or you. Notice how you're far more concerned with your negative opinions of Bill Clinton than anything else? Or attacking Obama for not commenting on your petty attempt to show your hatred of Islamics because you hate that he responded to an issue of a Senate candidate in this country and not a crime in another.

No, you don't feel at all that Akin did wrong, if you did, you wouldn't use the opportunity to attack the liberals you hate. But you just feel a need to try to trash others. Thanks again for showing you don't mean it.

August 21, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Stimulus money used for Obama ads.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/21/stimulus-funds-spent-obama-ads-olbermann-maddow/

Your stimulus dollars at work!

August 21, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Akin provides yet another distraction from The Dear Leader's administration. The left is eating it up...no need to talk about failed policies. Akins must be a mole working for the Chicago thugs.

August 21, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bulbs: Your, "You don't agree with me so that makes you wrong" attitude is textbook liberal. We get it, liberals can do no wrong. Wow you're in the liberal tank deep. Is your closet full of protest signage? I bet it is.

August 21, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
degage said...

Happy, Not one of those links said anything about a pharmasist denying contraseption to a woman that had an abortion. Most dealt with morning after pill. In my opinion denying the morning after pill is stupid. But that is not what I was trying to point out . you nor I nor the pharmasist can't tell if a woman has had an abortion, so the statement you made was not reasonable. In my day if you wanted the pill to keep from getting pregnant you paid for it yourself, it isn't that expensive.

August 21, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.

TOES02800, your protests of indignation at liberals while fdalse pretending to moral superiority are textbook conservative mantras. We get it, conservatives are ethical paragons and liberals just suck.

How blind do you think the rest of us are? Do you think the conduct of the right-wing squad here isn't apparent?

No, you're never engaging in insults, never hypocrites, never duplicitous. Except when you are.

August 21, 2012 at 8:52 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

You seem to hand pick who is morally wrong and who isn't. The funny thing is, you never say anything about the democrats who do the same or sometimes worse than what Akin did (said). That makes you one without compromise, therefore incredulous of any other thought than the liberal thought. You have no credibility, except to the far-left. Your keystrokes, therefore, meaningless.

August 21, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.

Degage, really, you didn't see the mention of the ramifications of those conscience clauses or the real life example of a pharmacist doing just what I said and people did support the pharmacist's conduct, which didn't even involve an abortion, but after-care.

I can understand being ignorant, but you leapt straight to the attack. As usual, you can't even admit it.

As for paying for it, that's yet another discussion, but I see that refusal as yet another charade. I remember how Rush Limbaugh's shameful comments about Sandra Fluke were defended too. The point that providing such coverage is cheaper and more effective overall just escapes people who far more concerned about complaining that their freedom to impose their beliefs on others is being compromised.

August 21, 2012 at 9:02 p.m.
mymy said...

Good Night and Sweet Dreams to those in Denial:

Romney Up Big in Indiana

Four years ago, President Obama became the first Democrat since 1964 to win Indiana. He looks unlikely to repeat that feat.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds challenger Mitt Romney picking up 51% of the vote while the president earns just 35%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and 11% are undecided.

The Indiana survey of 400 Likely Voters was conducted July 31-August 1, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

August 21, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.

TOES02800, yes, somebody like you who constantly belabors Democrats and lauds the Republican cause with blind fanatical devotion sure has credibility on the subject. You, who ignores the fraudulent attacks on Democrats, who never speaks out against any of the lying right-wing trolls here, but supports them, is a valid critic.

Or are you going to profess being an independent?

I know a lot of hardcore Conservatives seem to think they're believable when they make such false claims, but it' s not.

August 21, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.
moonpie said...

rick1,

If the left is so outraged, then why are the Republicans abandoning him?

Also, his apology was not really an apology.

He was dead wrong and ignorant.

He apologized for misspeaking.

Today he said it's blown out of proportion indicating he got a word out of place.

Which word?

Again, the entire stream of words, the entire line of thought was wrong. It wasn't just a word out of place.

It is a man out of step with reality.

He should have apologized for being wrong. He should acknowledge that he learned something new.

Not even the Republican leadership buys his spin.

I am not outraged with him. I personally like Klansmen to tell me they are in the klan. I like bigots to say wantonly bigoted things. I'm happy when they do.... they are easier to identify.

Now, I don't know if Akin is a bigot, but clearly he's either uninformed or willfully deceptive. He's not alone in his thinking.

August 21, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.

Oh my Rasmussen is finally catching on to that?

I'm pretty sure Indiana was never considered to be in serious contention.

August 21, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.
degage said...

Happy, that was one incident, And you are right ,It was wrong since I know all to well bleding is not just from an abortion.

August 21, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

You can not defend Obama's or Clinton's actions so you attack. In your mind you have to protect the Muslium Brotherhood because their raping of Laura Logan threatens to spoil the pure image of them being freedom fighters. You can not allow your utopia vision be clouded by their savage behavior. To you, women are just collateral damage, just like you don't give a damn that Muslim women are stoned, genitally mutilated, and murdered daily but you say I'm the one who has a hatred of Islamics. You truly are sick and mentally disturbed.

You have just proved that liberals do not care about the rights of females and it is you who is filled with hate.

August 21, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
rick1 said...

moonpie, as I said I'm not going to defend Akins. How do you feel about Clinton having been been accused by numerous women of exposing himself and unwanted sexual touching, and rape when he was Governor and President? I do not recall Clinton apologizing for his actions. Enough of the double standard.

August 21, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
WHS1970 said...

Lets face it folks, both sides are less than perfect. The regulars on this board are fooling themselves if they think either party is more moral than the other. You people feed off each others opinions as though it is an addiction. Why don't both sides agree to meet face to face, have a few drinks and stop with all the silly, immature accusations? Oh, I suppose that makes too much sense.

August 21, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "Al -- man, you crack me up."

"I know you are not stupid. Are you just not purposely engaging in my argument's premise? Because you can't be too dense to understand my simple point."

I understand your point very well. I simply disagree with you and you seem to have a problem with that.

"There's nothing theoretical -- unless you are a Machievellian (look it up boys and girls). Life is life is life!"

What was theoretical was any discussion between you and I about rape. Why? Because neither one of us will ever become pregnant as a result of being raped.

"Whether or not there's LOVE... HATE... Consensual, non-consensual, unreleated, related..."

That's your theory as to how you would react. Unless that day ever comes to fruition, it will forever remain a theory.

"NONE of that changes the fact that the LIFEFORM within the woman IS a human being!"

So what? Not every fetus is born, even when purposely created with love between two consenting adults. Ever heard of a miscarriage?

"However, Al, in his Socialistic, Machievellian form, insinuates there are different classifications of human beings, dictated by the whims of the "experience" of the woman who bears the child."

If any woman were to make the decision to carry a child to term as a result of being impregnated after being raped, more power to her. Throw her a ticker tape parade if it makes you feel any better. But, I have no problem with any woman who conversely decides to terminate such a pregnancy and I never will.

"And for all you denseheads out there, I'm not ADVOCATING or LEGITIMIZING rape. I'm advocating the EQUALITY of HUMAN LIFE. No matter the circumstance."

And that's where it needs to be left on the table. You are no more right than I am. I am equally no more wrong than you are.

"As the record stands for myself. YOU can do what YOU want with YOUR life as long as you DON'T HARM OTHERS. Want to jump off the bridge because your life is miserable? OK."

Look, you can whine, moan, stomp your feet, jump up and down, or hold your breath until you turn every shade of blue, but people like yourself will never, ever...suceed in your efforts to prevent a woman who resides in the United States from terminating a pregnancy that she does not want to carry to term.

"Want to KILL a human life form because your uncle raped you? I'm sorry... truly sorry... for your situation and circumstances... but that does NOT give you the RIGHT to kill a human being!"

You have no right to prevent any woman from making that decision for herself.

"Bottom line -- you either have to take IT ALL -- even the unconfortable part. Otherwise, you have no principles (like Al and most other Socialists) and you are subject to ever-changing whims."

That's strictly your opinion and nothing more, and it is now duly noted for the record.

August 21, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.

Degage, that we know about, yet the conscience clauses will open the door to many more. I'm glad you can admit it was a wrong assumption, but can you go a step further and say it was wrong to ask? Can you say it was flat out reprehensible, and that giving it cover under the guise of protecting the conscience of a pharmacist opens the door to more abuses?

Rick, you mean you can't defend Akin's conduct or admit the depths of its wrongness, so you go on the attack, then blame others for calling you on it.

You'd rather just say liberals are filled with hate, never admitting the way Republicans in this country turn a blind eye to things that happen here. You just pretend to care about what happens overseas because it is convenient to you, you think you can create an association between liberals and those you despise, so you pretend to care. But all it means to you is that you can attack liberals yet again.

Your vision is aimed like a laser, attack and demonize liberals any way you can. Truly a fanatic and disingenuous mind.

WHS1970, I'm afraid that the right-wing contributors here will have to disagree. They're always polite and respectful, they're never hateful and divisive, it's all the fault of liberals.

You should watch tonight's Daily Show. Well, actually, it's 8/15, so I can link it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-15-2012/8-15-12-in--60-seconds

Yeah, you can keep trying to pretend there's an equivalence, but if you can't tell the difference, I think you're doing a disservice.

August 21, 2012 at 11:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

WHS1970 said... "Why don't both sides agree to meet face to face, have a few drinks and stop with all the silly, immature accusations? Oh, I suppose that makes too much sense."

Yeah, the President was ridiculed when he tried to do that. He called it a teachable moment. I believe the conservatives would tell you to stick it up your naive a$$.

August 21, 2012 at 11:19 p.m.

Moonpie, here's a quote from Akin:

“I talk about one word, one sentence, one day out of place, and, all of the sudden, the entire establishment turns on you,” Representative Akin complained to the conservative radio talk-show host Dana Loesch on Tuesday as he spurned pleas from Mitt Romney and other G.O.P. big shots to abort his bid. He continued: “They just ran for cover at the first sign of any gunfire, and I think we need to rush to the gunfire.”

Yeah, the guy is just not recognizing the depths of his error. He's just expecting us not to recognize the lack of authenticity in his words.

Dude_abides, it doesn't help when the stated idea of compromise being the other side just giving them everything they want. After all, conviction is so very important.

August 21, 2012 at 11:26 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Unhappy you are an absolute basket case. I clearly state neither of the two deserve to be in office and all your kool aid drunk ass hears is hatred towards democrats. How can that be? Do I hate democrats that answer is NO, do I have a strong dislike towards that mulsim lover in the white house hell yes and there is a clear difference in the two. But you obvioulsy refuse to understand or hell maybe you just comprehend there is a difference in that. So contiune on in your fantasy world if you want but facts of Obama's failed leadership are seen every day as gas prices and unemployment continue to climb.Please don't say it's not his fault because 4 years ago you and him were both blamming Bush!

August 21, 2012 at 11:55 p.m.

Yeah, you just called Obama a Muslim lover and attack me for being a basket case.

You obviously refuse to own up to your biases. And I had specific problems with Bush's conduct, not groundless attacks based on bigotry.

Seriously, are you trying g to make yourself look bad? Do you have no comprehension of the appalling nature of your words?

Thanks for demonstrating once again how reprehensible you are.

August 22, 2012 at 12:25 a.m.
Walden said...

Al vomited: "But if you really want an answer to that question, I would rather not exist than to have been conceived as a result of rape."

Sad.

August 22, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

see unhappy that is your biggest problem you dont read what people say you only pick out a few items the "try" to help your case. I clearly said I do not like Obama or did you just miss that again. You defend a man for having sex with a teenage boy and tell me I am reprehensible. Maybe you should look in the mirror. I know you hate facts and can't handle the truth so if you don't want blasted by the stay the hell off my post or better yet STFU!!

August 22, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.

rogerdodge, actually, your biggest problem is that you don't realize what you say is being read by other people who can see through your lies and self-deceptions.

You fabricate lies about the President, you try to exploit somebody else's sexual activities for your own agenda, and you get upset at me? You need to look at a mirror yourself.

But thanks for admitting you're quite willing to censor others who point out your failings. That'll make any faux protests by you about liberal censorship easy to dispute. And of course the silence by the conservative stalwarts at your conduct will discredit them.

Much appreciated!

August 22, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
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