published Saturday, June 16th, 2012

Border Patrol

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

Look! They're not illegal aliens. They're undocumented democrats!

June 16, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
wrdrennan said...

They're taking jobs away from Americans!!!!

Oh... wait...

Insightful, Clay

June 16, 2012 at 12:48 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Very clever.

June 16, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.
alprova said...

wrdrennan chimed in with: "They're taking jobs away from Americans!!!!"

Here's a thought on that point; Given the attitudes of so many people these days, there are plenty of Americans who don't deserve jobs that they think they are entitled to.

Far too many Americans have become lazy on the job, they call in sick when they are anything but, they argue with and/or complain about their co-workers, and are completely taken by surprise when they are escorted to the front door, thinking that they are or were indispensable and irreplaceable.

Say what you will about Hispanics, be they legal or not, but the simple truth is that when it comes to their jobs, they show up every day, on time, they work hard, almost never complain about a thing, and they generally show an appreciation to their employers for their jobs.

Competition for a job is tough these days, and people with good work records have little trouble finding jobs. The applications on desks are piled high these days. The average American worker has to go to greater lengths to sell themselves to a prospective employer, if they are even called to interview for an open position.

Our politicians have sold out this nation to job providers for decades. They created and fostered the environment that has made it advantageous for manufacturers to relocate their businesses out of this country. By the same token, American workers, in general, have also made the decision making process to relocate somewhat of a no-brainer for such employers. Who needs to put up with problematic workers all day long?

A reversal of the work related environmental issues that have drained this nation of good jobs is definitely in order. It isn't going to happen overnight, but the movement in that direction is slowly starting to occur. People on both sides of the desk are going to have to adjust their attitudes or it will never take root.

Every American needs to adopt attitudes that include dedication, loyalty, and respect for one another. This goes for employers and employees.

If you are a person who has trouble getting or keeping a job, don't blame undocumented immigrants, politicians, or the President of the United States for your problem.

Look in the mirror.

June 16, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I went to the bank and a machine gave me the money, I went to see a movie and there were several machines to buy the tickets from but only one person, then I went to the grocery store and there were self checkouts. As I stood in line to pay the clerk I was told the self check out was open but my reply was there are 30 million americans out of work if I use that machine your job may be next. Convinence has its price.

June 16, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

The penalty for hiring undocumented workers is not severe enough. Enforcement is lacking.

June 16, 2012 at 4:32 a.m.
MTJohn said...

...and the penalties for out sourcing and off-shoring are not severe enough, either. Those who are most prone to wrap themselves in the flag (and, adorn themselves with $$$$$$$$$$$) have no legitimate claim to patriotism.

June 16, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.
joneses said...

If I had a bunch of money I would send it out of the country as well to avoid Hussein Obama confiscating it just like the Kennedy's, George Soros, and Al Gore do. These wealthy people do this because it is the smart thing to do financially.

June 16, 2012 at 7:04 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn......What does your "...and the penalties for out sourcing and off-shoring are not severe enough, either." mean? What "penalties" are now imposed that you want increased?

What is your definition of patriotism and who made you judge of who is a patriot?

June 16, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "What is your definition of patriotism and who made you judge of who is a patriot?"

Patriot - "A person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."

Any American who closes up shop in this country, whose income in the year 2012 is derived by utilizing workers in another country, who then goes on to import their products back into the United States for sale, can not be determined under any criteria to be a "Patriot."

Everyone has the right to determine who is and who is not a patriot. Goodness knows you have an idea of your definition of what one is.

June 16, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

jonsey, I'm relieved to know that no republican sends their money outside the country.

June 16, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Although this is just a tiny part of the picture, our demand for cheap goods and our unwillingness to wait until we can afford a better quality product that is more expensive. Here's an example:

Vacuum cleaners used to be a major investment. They were sold by door-to-door salesmen in some areas. Made of quality parts (metal gears, etc.) they could be repaired and lasted a lifetime. Vacuums were made by American companies, which charged an appropriate price for these machines, and then continued to manufacture parts for years. Repair shops employed local workers, and there was less waste because appliances were not discarded.

Now, you can by a cheap, plastic imported vacuum cleaner, use it til it breaks, then throw it away. No repair shops, no American workers making them.

Multiply this by the many products we have. Households have TV's in every room, several computers, microwave ovens, etc. Most cannot be repaired if they break, and many are manufactured cheaply oversees. Few people save up to buy this stuff. (My mother in the early 60's had to take out a loan to buy a vacuum-that's how she established her credit rating separate from my dad's).

We as consumers are just as responsible for this situation.

June 16, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
conservative said...

Alprova...

So in accordance with your standard I would count those as unpatriotic who vote for, and even encourage others to vote for representative who would use their power in office to un-Constitutionally burden it's citizens with confiscatory taxes. And most certainly I would call those who would seek to live and prosper from the taxes un-Constitutionally confiscated from others as unpatriotic.

More power to those who would seek to protect their property from greedy Godless people and their Socialist governments.

June 16, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Gubment by executive order. SkaRoo the Congress.

June 16, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."

MTJohn......What does your "...and the penalties for out sourcing and off-shoring are not severe enough, either." mean? What "penalties" are now imposed that you want increased?

What is your definition of patriotism and who made you judge of who is a patriot?"

First of all, I agree with the logic that, if we really are concerned stopping the influx of people who enter this country illegally to seek employment, the focus ought to be on prosecuting the companies that hire them.

Large corporations make large profits by outsourcing work to cheap (and, at times slave-like) labor markets and then bringing the product back to this country. There also are several large, American-based corporations that continue to function as American-based corporations but have off-shored their headquarters to shell offices solely for the purpose of avoiding the payment of taxes. In my opinion, both practices ought to stop and the government should stop "rewarding" these corporations for their egregious behavior.

Third, I agree that patriotism is difficult to define - one of those things that is "in the eye of the beholder". That said, there is nothing patriotic about persons and corporations who manipulate our government (c.f. the K Street Project) for selfish gains achieved at the expense of the rest of the citizens. That is exactly what major political contributors are doing - contributors on both sides but especially those who support flag-waving Republicans. Hypocrisy!

June 16, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Alprova...So in accordance with your standard I would count those as unpatriotic who vote for, and even encourage others to vote for representative who would use their power in office to un-Constitutionally burden it's citizens with confiscatory taxes."

But of course. Take something spelled out clearly and twist it into something else.

Being an American taxpayer is one of the very definitions of a patriot. Someone who goes through life beotching about paying taxes, while living in this fine country with all of the advantages afforded them, is not.

"And most certainly I would call those who would seek to live and prosper from the taxes un-Constitutionally confiscated from others as unpatriotic."

The collection of taxes is most certainly addressed in the Constitution. There is nothing at all un-constitutional about any expectation or demand that people who can afford to do so, sit down and write a check each year to pay their taxes.

"More power to those who would seek to protect their property from greedy Godless people and their Socialist governments."

If that's the way you truly feel, then have the courage to seek to live up to your convictions, by selling out all you own, hopping a plane, and relocate yourself right out of this country, if you think that living here is soooooo bad.

June 16, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
MTJohn said...

lkeithlue - I agree.

June 16, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
EaTn said...

With a wink and a nod the past five administrations and legislations have allowed undocumented workers to flow across the imaginary border. Obama recognized both the humane and political reasons to give a portion of these immigrants hope for their future here, which for many will be a lifetime. These same administrations and legislations have allowed the greedy to take jobs out of the country with little consequences.

June 16, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
davisss13 said...

More power to those who would seek to protect their property from greedy Godless people and their Socialist governments.

Go ahead, worship the rich. Idolize those who hide their riches away in offshore accounts and the like.

That's what Jesus would do, I'm sure.

(not)

Would Reagan era tax rates be acceptable?

June 16, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Welcome to the GOP, home of family values, Christian morals, unfettered, uncontrolled greed, open-ended global religious war and torture.

Woo hoo!

June 16, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Davisssss: There's a religious war, ok. But don't look at the GOP. Look east.

June 16, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
librul said...

Oh yeah, Jack - it's always "them" and never us.

Looking, east, all I see is drones killing 10 innocent people for every "suspected insurgent". That sort of diplomacy will keep us safe, right? They should just lie down and die because we, the "they" from their perspective, are defending ourselves from "them", right? What utter insanity.

June 16, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.

Obama has just made the economy worse. Citizens in this country who are struggling to find work won't like this.

Obama only does things if he feels it will help the Democrat Party get votes. He's no different than any other politician in that respect.

What makes him dangerous is his dictatorial approach. He's pretty gutless, really. He makes this type of announcement, something with this much impact, and he won't answer any questions?

Smug, arrogant, superior and dangerous. Those are just a few things that come to mind.

He feels he's above criticism, and looks at Congress as just an irritation.

Once again, Obama is an elitist and he completely tied to the very people many of you Democrats on here condem. He's all about money, power and helping himself. He doesn't have a benevolent bone in his body. After 3 and half years in office I feel pretty confident in saying that.

June 16, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses said...

"If I had a bunch of money I would send it out of the country as well to avoid Hussein Obama confiscating it just like the Kennedy's, George Soros, and Al Gore do."

Or you could do like the billionaires Adelson and Koch and invest it in the presidency.

June 16, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova....

Your hypocrisy is not only egregious but laughable as well.

Your standard of patriotism was..."Everyone has the right to determine who is and who is not a patriot. Goodness knows you have an idea of your definition of what one is." So I gave you my views on who is a patriot and you accuse me of twisting something clearly spelled out.

And then you do the "twisting" by calling those who oppose confiscatory taxes as unpatriotic. By your logic those who participated in the Boston Tea Party were unpatriotic and unjustified. Don't you think people notice such hypocrisy?

Your "Being an American taxpayer is one of the very definitions of a patriot " standard is odd to me but in accordance with your ..."Everyone has the right to determine who is and who is not a patriot." However, you have just defined the 47% of American households who pay no federal income taxes as unpatriotic. Since I do not belong in that group I am a taxpaying patriot by your standard.

But then you take my label of patriot away by stating that those who go through life complaining about paying their taxes are unpatriotic. People have always complained about paying taxes especially those not allowed by our Constitution. Add these to the 47% who don't pay federal taxes and it seems to me almost no one is a patriot by YOUR standards. Now go ahead tell me that you are that one patriot.

You're last two comments to my comments are so foreign to what I wrote that I want even waste my time to respond other than to note your seeking to twist them.

June 16, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

librul: With your ilk, it's always us, never them. Talk about insanity.

June 16, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
shifarobe said...

BO is nothing but a meatball on a stick. A gutless chicken who thinks he can do whatever the &%$# he wants and doesn't have to answer any questions about it. HE'S JUST TOO DAMN GOOD TO BOTHER WITH ALL THOSE PESKY QUESTIONS ! Anyone who defends this "man" Is NOT a REAL American! HE HAS ZERO RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW OR OUR CONSTITUTION!!

June 16, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
degage said...

librul, complaining about drones killing innocent people. Seems he forgets it is his buddy Obama that ordered them. Thats Obamas kill list even if innocents get in the way.

June 16, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn....

I agree with you about prosecuting business who hire illegals.

Our corporate tax rates are either the first or second highest in the world. Lower those taxes and business will return. Those taxes are passed onto the consumer of the product. Food and clothing would be a much smaller burden on the poor if these taxes were cut.

I don't worry or take much credence in offshore tax avoidance stories. It can't be that much, after all they were largely put in place by Democrats and they have certainly had more control of our government to repeal them. The press always blames the Republicans to stir up envy and strife. Whatever the tax reduction or advantage it is was written into law so it is not a loophole.

I will ask again, ......What does your "...and the penalties for out sourcing and off-shoring are not severe enough, either." mean? What "penalties" are now imposed that you want increased?

June 16, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Liberals love mob movements because you can't get mobs to think, which is perfect for Democratic ideas." Ann Coulter Sometimes she's dead on the money.

June 16, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
alprova said...

conservativew wrote: "Your standard of patriotism was..."Everyone has the right to determine who is and who is not a patriot. Goodness knows you have an idea of your definition of what one is." So I gave you my views on who is a patriot and you accuse me of twisting something clearly spelled out."

Only because I in no manner suggested that my definition of a patriot included or excluded people too poor to pay taxes. That was YOUR definition.

"And then you do the "twisting" by calling those who oppose confiscatory taxes as unpatriotic."

That I do Sir. You live in the finest country in the world, with freedoms that others can only imagine, and your lamenting the paying of a small portion of your earnings for taxes is pathetic.

"By your logic those who participated in the Boston Tea Party were unpatriotic and unjustified. Don't you think people notice such hypocrisy?"

You are comparing apples to oranges. When you are demanded to pay taxes to Britain again, for any reason, then you may have a point.

"Your "Being an American taxpayer is one of the very definitions of a patriot " standard is odd to me but in accordance with your ..."Everyone has the right to determine who is and who is not a patriot." However, you have just defined the 47% of American households who pay no federal income taxes as unpatriotic. Since I do not belong in that group I am a taxpaying patriot by your standard."

"But then you take my label of patriot away by stating that those who go through life complaining about paying their taxes are unpatriotic. People have always complained about paying taxes especially those not allowed by our Constitution."

The very fact that the Constitution calls for and allows the Congress to set forth the collection of taxes for whatever it deems necessary, negates totally your assertion that taxes are unconstitutional.

"Add these to the 47% who don't pay federal taxes and it seems to me almost no one is a patriot by YOUR standards."

Twist and turn all you wish. I have named one standardo of many that in my estimation, determines if one is a patriot. Those 47% of people would probably love to pay taxes, if they made enough to do so. You, I'm sure, most likely find disagreement with that premise too.

"Now go ahead tell me that you are that one patriot."

Personally, I haven't given it much thought. To me, anyone who puffs up their chest proclaiming themselves to be a patriot, doesn't impress me very much at all.

"You're last two comments to my comments are so foreign to what I wrote that I want even waste my time to respond other than to note your seeking to twist them."

Interesting. You pretty much claimed that this country is so full of "Godless" and "Socialist" people and seemed to have all kinds of praise for people who "seek to protect their property" from such people. It sounds to me as if you want to join them.

Have you bought your plane ticket yet?

June 16, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Both need to be stopped. Think you have a good one here Tooner.

June 16, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

We have a president circumventing rule of law and trying to run the country like a dictator and Bennett wants to recycle blame on US business owners and corporations?

%$&*%& Idiot.

June 16, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

http://tfponline.com/news/2012/jun/16/chattanooga-many-in-area-applaud-immigration-move/

This is a great move by the President. It's a noble and good cause.

June 16, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova...

"Only because I in no manner suggested that my definition of a patriot included or excluded people too poor to pay taxes. That was YOUR definition."

Not in my definition, you made that up.

"That I do Sir. You live in the finest country in the world, with freedoms that others can only imagine, and your lamenting the paying of a small portion of your earnings for taxes is pathetic."

It is not small, but your comments are.

"You are comparing apples to oranges. When you are demanded to pay taxes to Britain again, for any reason, then you may have a point"

Your you missed the history lesson on taxes.

"Personally, I haven't given it much thought. To me, anyone who puffs up their chest proclaiming themselves to be a patriot, doesn't impress me very much at all."

Well you certainly made an issue of it

"Interesting. You pretty much claimed that this country is so full of "Godless" and "Socialist" people and seemed to have all kinds of praise for people who "seek to protect their property" from such people. It sounds to me as if you want to join them."

You have "pretty much claimed that" you are Godless and a Socialist. You obviously hate our country and I fell sorry for you.

June 16, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: It's the worst kind of political pandering. And BHO is totally shameless.

June 16, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Who cares? It helps a lot of people. It would be nice if all political pandering aided thousands of people.

June 16, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

We could declare Mexico a failed narco state and annex it.Have them vote on a referendum to become 13 additional states and dissolve there failed federal government. As the Mexicans run up here for those jobs Americans supposedly don't won't we could all run down there and build roads and hotels and resorts all the way to their little southern border. Think Eisenhower interstate system 2.0. We would have to legalize pot to defund the cartels we are arming with those fast and furious guns but think of all the resourses we could put to use. Now that would be a shovel ready project.

June 16, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
mtnman1 said...

the problem: a lazy sack of SH** can make more living off welfare and running a puppy mill than he/ she can working a full time job. We need to get people motivated by suppressing benefits. Who can't find a job in 18 months? Really? "I'm overqualified" is BS. take a job, feed your family, work your way up. If you disagree, you'd probably vote for reparations too...

June 16, 2012 at 3 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"a noble and good cause"..... What a retarded liberal thing to say!

The road to hell was paved with good intentions.

You liberals don't give a rats ass about results. Just as long as you "feel good" about yourselves.

The first thing Obama did as president was travel the world and apologize for the U.S. being such a terrible country. It didn't work out. They looked at him like he was an idiot!

Fuc#ing simple morons!

June 16, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

What a childish argument with no examples or proof for anything you say.

If you want to see a simple moron, look in the mirror. You can't even type an intelligent paragraph. All you do is curse and name call. Are you mad? LOL.

June 16, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

By the way, Obama actually broke the law by giving amnesty to illegals without congressional approval. That's actually worse than what Nixon did.

If Bush had done this, he'd be impeached.

June 16, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Wrong. He used his executive powers. It isn't proper protocol and his ruling can be challenged. But it doesn't warrant impeachment. And it's not "illegal".

June 16, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Show us "examples of proof" for your twisted tales Easy! All you do is give links from liberal sites and think they are the wholesome truth!

"Curse and name call"!.........That's because you're such a fu#cking whiner!

June 16, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I haven't told any twisted tales.

All you do is bitch and moan about what the president does. How does that make me a whiner? I haven't done anything that would validate that claim.

You give no links. And the links you usually give are debunked. If you don't agree with links I provide then prove them wrong.

Keep crying, sweetheart.

June 16, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Rule of law is more important than Obama's political points or even any positive aspects of the immigration move.

The ends do not justify the means.

June 16, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

What Obama did isn't illegal.

June 16, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hitler issued plenty of executive orders. Perfectly legal.

June 16, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

What an incongruent comparison Jack. Very asinine statement.

June 16, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
mymy said...

Short term fix for votes for a long term problem which Rubio has been working on for a long time. Obama also getting out before Rubio's book tour starts. When he had both houses of Congress, why didn't he try it. My guess is even some Demos would not vote for it.

A few months ago O said he could not do this. Guess he changed his mind for another campaign topic since he is desperate cause he cannot run on his record. Everything seems to be backfiring on him and I just LOL. What next: legalizing pot for more votes from the loony's.

June 16, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

ww.suntimes.com/news/metro/13193334-418/chicago-hedge-fund-manager-switches-from-2008-obama-fan-to-2012-romney-backer.html

Keep crying Easy bitch!

June 16, 2012 at 5:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Lol! Are you mad Toes? Keep up your incessant whining.

June 16, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy, no. just showing how abuse of power sux.

June 16, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.

Choosing to not enforce the law is lawlessness. Obama may not have broken the law, but he's simply chosen to not enforce it. He's not doing his job if he's not enforcing our laws. Congress makes the laws, the president has to enforce them.

He picks and chooses depending on what helps him politically. He not only is not enforcing the law, which he swore to do, he has put us in further danger economically by allowing illegal aliens to compete against citizens without any fear of punishment. He's sickening and deserves to be removed from office.

June 16, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Have you read the requirements for eligibility to get these work visas? It is strict. Obama is giving these people an path to become legal.

Immigrants help the economy.

Your stupidity is sickening.

June 16, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Blonde: Shameless pandering to minorities.. Dems have done it for years. Usually not to the benefit of the minority. BHO is just more blatant.

June 16, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

This benefits the minority group.

June 16, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.

Yeah ,I've read it. SO? It's not his job to not enforce the law. Anyone with half a brain knows this is purely political, and that next, probably close to election, he'll do the same for all illegal aliens. He's lawless.

You know darn well if a Republican did any number of the things Obama has done you'd be all over it.

I don't think unions are going to like this, the underemployed, the unemployed or anyone struggling to hold on to a job in this economy. He's fooling know one. This will blow up in his face.

Jack, exactly. Obama has the media on his side, so he doesn't care.

The fact that he's not upholding the law is sickening enough, but the fact that he won't answer a question from the press regarding it is even more sickening. What a coward!

June 16, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'd love it if Republicans did this. But they never will.

Please explain how he is lawless. These people will have work visas. That's completely legal all the way around.

This will actually keep good, educated, hardworking immigrants in our country.

By the way, it wasn't a question and answer session. The guy interrupted the President of the United States during a speech. How disrespectful and rude.

June 16, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.

There's never a question answer session with Obama, and you know it. He's a coward.

The fact is he's taken it upon himself to exempt who knows how many people from the law. He's thinks he's too good for the legislative process. Those people are not supposed to be here, they're breaking the law. It's not his call to have the law not apply to them. He should be impeached.

June 16, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Yes there are. You obviously don't watch the news.

He's not exempting them from the law. He is giving people under 30 that were brought over by their parents an opportunity to become legal citizens. Granting them a work visa means they are not breaking the law.

How do you know what he thinks? Congress does have the ability to veto this or overrule the president. It's called checks and balances.

It is his call. He's the president. You should be impeached.

June 16, 2012 at 8:13 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Not in my definition, you made that up."

Look back at what I wrote that you took it upon yourself to claim something entirely different. Bearing false witness is a sin.

"It is not small, but your comments are."

If it is not a small portion of your income that you pay in income taxes, then I congratulate you on your success. Regardless of what you earn, you get to keep and spend the vast majority of it, and that is more than people in many other countries can say.

"Your you missed the history lesson on taxes."

No I didn't. The objection raised on the tax on tea entirely surrounded the fact that Britain was imposing the tax. Had the tax been implemented by and paid to the U.S. Government, no one would have had a problem with it.

"Well you certainly made an issue of it"

Who was it that asked for the definition?

"You have "pretty much claimed that" you are Godless and a Socialist."

I have never, ever denied God or his Son. Where I differ with you religiously, is that I do not consider the modern day Bible to be the word of God. Many of the wording and opinions expressed in it are those of the men who have amended and translated it.

I have and still do admit that a mix of Capitalism and Socialism is good for this nation.

"You obviously hate our country and I fell sorry for you."

I'm not the one who is complaining about our Gov't. That would be you. I have never expressed so much as one word that would indicate that I hold any hatred for this country or any of its inhabitants. You have several times.

Don't project any of your issues on me. I sure don't want you to "fell" sorry for me. My soul is perfectly intact.

June 16, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "By the way, Obama actually broke the law by giving amnesty to illegals without congressional approval."

Perhaps you should read a little to determine exactly what the President did. He did not promise amnesty to a soul. He merely promised to not deport qualified illegals who came here as children. He didn't even promise permanent residency. They cannot be deported.

"That's actually worse than what Nixon did."

The only thing Nixon did that was controversial was to prohibit the states from passing any laws denying education or medical care to illegals. And he was right to do so.

"If Bush had done this, he'd be impeached."

Knock yourself out trying to convince congress to impeach the man. Mitt Romney's response was to offer that what the President proposed didn't go far enough. He went on record calling for a path to permanent residence for them.

Sounds to me like Mitt Romney was boxed into a corner on this one, if he has a chance in the world of getting any Hispanic support.

June 16, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote "Rule of law is more important than Obama's political points or even any positive aspects of the immigration move."

Wake up and smell the coffee. The President has executive powers bestowed to him to enact law 30 days after ordering it, bypassing Congress on just about anything, so long as no part of an executive order involves illegal or unconstitutional activities.

The Supreme Court ruled in 1896 regarding Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, that the 14th Amendment's sentence, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality."

What he did was constitutionally settled by the Supreme Court and has not been overturned for 116 years and counting.

June 16, 2012 at 9:38 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "What next: legalizing pot for more votes from the loony's."

If he does that, the election will be over. Not only is it about time to decriminalize pot, it would sew up the over 18 and under 30 voting block.

The GOP has been quite adept at pissing off most of the women in this nation. Let 'em further their agenda and weaken their support by going on record that they still think that people who toke a little weed deserve prison time.

Legalize it, subject it to the same laws as alcohol, and tax it. It's a win/win for all.

June 16, 2012 at 9:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Easy123 wrote: "He's not exempting them from the law. He is giving people under 30 that were brought over by their parents an opportunity to become legal citizens. Granting them a work visa means they are not breaking the law."

To add to that: Immigrants who were brought here as minor children did not break any law. They were not of adult age to be held accountable for their presence here.

Allowing them to stay at their young age and making their presence legal is a smart thing to do. This country needs more taxpayers and contributors to Social Security and Medicare. Their numbers represent millions of long-time future taxpayers.

Americans are no longer bearing children in high numbers, thus the people supporting Social Security and Medicare are dwindling. Legitimizing them and to immediately add them to the system of collecting taxes from them will represent a boom in increased governmental revenue. It's a smart move.

June 16, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al, that's just laughable

June 16, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

The lack of substance in your comments is laughable.

June 16, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy..should I post a few links, like you? Huh?

June 16, 2012 at 10:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You should at least post something worth reading. Everything ALPROVA said is true. Is that funny to you?

June 16, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Al, that's just laughable"

Do you really think so? Then you explain why it is that the Gov't has been extremely lax in the prosecution and deportation of illegal immigrants for most of the last 30 years.

Law Enforcement across the country has been complaining for years that the Federal Gov't refuses to transport illegals it arrests with no criminal record and that they are forced to turn them loose.

Most employers who hire illegals deduct taxes from their pay due to a realistic fear of prosecution by the IRS if they don't. Illegals can't file income tax returns, so the IRS keeps all of what they pay into the system.

The Federal Gov't loves illegal immigrants. $6-$7 billion is added to the Social Security trust fund each year just by illegal immigrants. They add $1.04 billion to the Medicare trust fund. From 1996 through 2003, illegal immigrants paid more than $50 billion to the IRS in income taxes. By the end of 2010, illegal immigrants had paid in $11.3 billion in income taxes for that year alone.

These are figures for people who currently have no avenue to file for any benefit from such taxation.

Yes indeedy, the Gov't has a vested interest in leaving illegal immigrants alone and to refrain from deporting them anytime soon.

Announcing the above just doesn't sit well with far too many Americans, so they keep their lips zipped, but that in no manner doesn't mean it isn't true or a very realistic reason why the Gov't refuses to enforce the deportation of illegal immigrants that the states catch and try to turn over for deportation.

June 16, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.

I guess I didn't miss much of anything, but I think this image is less than apt.

The bags of money were taken from the labors of real workers.

June 17, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
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