published Thursday, October 18th, 2012

Be Warned

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Yawn.

October 18, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Why Apple will never bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- At the end of Tuesday night's presidential debate, CNN's Candy Crowley asked both candidates a question that has plagued Apple since the beginning of the year.

"IPad, the Macs, the iPhones, they are all manufactured in China, and one of the major reasons is labor is so much cheaper there," Crowley said. "How do you convince a great American company to bring that manufacturing back here?"

Mitt Romney said the solution is "very straightforward." The United States must pressure China to stop manipulating its currency, he said, and the federal government needs to "make America the most attractive place for entrepreneurs" by lowering taxes. He supports reducing the top corporate tax rate to 25%, down from its current 35%.

President Obama offered a starker answer: "Candy, there are some jobs that are not going to come back, because they're low-wage, low-skill jobs."

Speaking strictly for Apple, Obama's assessment is likely correct. Apple has said that it directly employs thousands of its own workers in China, and about 700,000 assembly workers at manufacturing contractors like Foxconn put together Apple products. It would be almost impossible to bring those jobs to the United States.

Foxconn -- China's largest private employer and the manufacturer of an estimated 40% half of the world's consumer electronic devices -- pays its assembly workers far less than American labor laws would allow. A typical salary is 2500 RMB (U.S. $400), or about $18 a day.

Read the rest at;

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/17/technology/apple-china-jobs/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

October 18, 2012 at 2:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Families Want The Politicization Of Benghazi To Stop

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/boston-north/Romney-campaign-will-stop-telling-story-of-slain-Navy-SEAL/-/11984708/16924826/-/mtiygt/-/index.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57532067/amb-stevens-father-wants-politics-out-of-his-sons-death/

A very good comment offered on along with the second article:

Romney, Ryan, the U.S. House Republicans, and others are trying to turning an issue of how to prevent a re-occurrence of the Benghazi tragedy into an attack on President Obama, pure and simple. The whole issue has now become a concerted TEA/GOP effort to score political points by politicizing this tragedy.

To take this tragedy and turn it into an attack on President Obama and a negative narrative about President Obama's foreign policy is absurd. When compared to the 1983 terrorist bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon which killed 241 Marines when Ronald Reagan was President, the Benghazi tragedy is a substantially less egregious oversight in discovering and recognizing a terrorist threat. The Democrats didn't use the Beirut disaster as an indictment of Reagan or his foreign policy at that time and I'll bet other Americans didn't either.

The murder of the U.S. Ambassador and the three other Americans is a terrible tragedy and the perpetrators must be brought to justice. The lessons learned should be put to use to prevent a similar tragedy in the future.

The U.S. Department of State is conducting an investigation, headed by Thomas Pickering and former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mullens. This is the investigation which will give us the answers to prevent this type of tragedy in the future, not the fully politicized rants of partisans.

Let's please put this Benghazi act of terror in a rational perspective, free of politics. The United States has had at least 10,000 citizens(combatants & civilians) killed in terror attacks and in the 'war on terror' in the past eleven years. The battle against terror will continue and, unfortunately, it is likely there will be more tragedy as the battle continues into the future.

October 18, 2012 at 3:13 a.m.
EaTn said...

When Mitt talks about if he becomes president he will "reach across the aisle" to get legislative support for his programs. Maybe this toon should remind us that Mitt's version of reaching across the aisle may be more coercion than compromise.

October 18, 2012 at 6:27 a.m.
alprova said...

Arizona county gives wrong election date in Spanish voter cards

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/arizona-spanish-election-ballot/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

October 18, 2012 at 6:58 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Sensing dissonance, once again, with tu_quoque's posts. Different writing style, syntax. One tu_ is obsessed with headlines and personal attacks, while the other is more direct, though just as mean spirited. Definitely more than one person at work here. Misspelling 'inadequacies' and saying "This builds on my earlier post..." just seems out of character. Jesus, I would hate to think that if I had a split personality both of me would be a$$holes!

October 18, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

IF I WROTE POLITICAL ADS

At the last debate Romney was asked to detail how he is different from George W. Bush. He said, energy independence and expanded trade with Central and South America.

My political ad would begin with that clip.

Then I would cut to a split screen featuring Mitt and George both smiling with this voice over: Romney says he's different from Bush.

First, George would say he wants to make America energy independent. Then Mitt would say he wants to make America energy independent. George would say he wants to expand trade with Central and South America. Then Mitt would say the same thing. Then George would say his economic plan to cut taxes, eliminate regulations, and increase military spending will balance the budget. Then Mitt would say the same thing.

Then I would use a full screen photo of a smiling George W. Bush morphing into a smiling photo of Mitt Romney.

This stuff is easy. Who's running the President's campaign?

October 18, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.
raygunz said...

dude_abides said...

"Sensing dissonance, once again, with tu_quoque's posts. Different writing style, syntax. One tu_ is obsessed with headlines and personal attacks, while the other is more direct, though just as mean spirited. Definitely more than one person at work here"

I have sensed the same thing dude. Could there be a "plant" among us? What's the plural of tu quoque? "tu queerq"?

October 18, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama supporters would best serve him by pointing out how he has shown masterful leadership skills instead of criticizing Romney

Can either contend with the congress the country has provided. Check out Schumer from NY when he lectured an interviewer about three branches of government. He stated you have to remember there are three branches of government, house, senate and administrative, he was serious. His latest claim to fame is legislation regarding wire brushes used to clean grills. This is only one of the many ignorant we have put in congress. Another was serious when expressing concern that more troops on Guam may tilt the island, causing it to sink into the ocean. Waters from California threatening to nationalize the oil companies and have the government run them.

Who can work with 535 members of congress laced with people like that?

October 18, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

Which is preferred a bully or a wuss? Gary Johnson is neither of these, he is a very consistent and capable leader as he proved as governor of New Mexico. There is no future in stepping in another middle east or north Africa cow pile. Those radicals have not changed thorughout history and to think democracy will break out there is ludicrous. If it does we would not recognize it in the form they would have it.

October 18, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
joneses said...

And was it not Hussein Obama who said about the Republicans "if they bring a knife we bring a gun"? This is really a stupid cartoon produced by a desperate idiot. I am talking about you Clay. What kind of a fool would bring up something from a candidates childhood? I would rather Clay address Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney's act of carrying his dog on top of his car so we could talk about Hussein Obama eating a dog again. Clay and Hussein Obama were those little wimpy kids that the only reason they played ball when they were children was because they owned the ball. I do appreciate Clay depicting Romney has having courage though. I imagine Hussein Obama is somewhere in this cartoon cowering in a corner somewhere as he cannot stomach such violence on the play ground as it would upset him and cause irreparable harm to him. Or Hussein Obama might have run off to snitch on Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney for defending himself from this little wimpy kid who was probably Hussein Obama's gay partner Bill Ayers.

October 18, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

I would like to be a fly on the wall the first time Mitt tells a sitting Senator "You'll get your turn in a minute!"

October 18, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

The President is already 'practicing' his farewell speech...he's giving into the “bully”...when he made the statement during the second debate...“...that's one of the commitments I made when I was president”. Love it!

October 18, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bully-in-chief:

DOES WAPO KNOW OBAMA SHOVED A LITTLE GIRL?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Does-WaPo-Know-Obama-Shoved-a-Little-Girl

C'mon alpo, deny it.

October 18, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
joneses said...

Have any of you liberals who hate the wealthy and the large homes they live in heard about Hussein and Moochelle Obama's 40 million dollar house they are going to live in in Hawaii? How can Hussein Obama afford a 40 million dollar house? I bet you liberals are proud of this fine example of hypocrisy.

October 18, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
miraweb said...

Nate Silver - the 538 guy - notes that in the six major national polls 3 have Obama ahead and 3 have Romney ahead. The data is Tuesday's pre-debate polls.

October 18, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
miraweb said...

A little food with those pills, Francis, is best.

October 18, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
patriot1 said...

388K....unemployment numbers for the week highest in four months

mymy is right it is all about the economy

October 18, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
miraweb said...

Yeah but the numbers are mixed. Housing seems to be moving into recovery and the stock market has been having a good run. Unemployment has a steady trend downward with a few jumps here and there. The fed is already correcting for Europe's unsteadiness.

The major risk now is the Idiots in the Congress.

October 18, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Which is preferred a bully or a wuss?”

Which is preferred a bully or a wuss? . . . Wow, Harp3339. . . Spoken like a true neocon. . . Coming out of the closet any time soon? . . . I’m sure all of those previously owned neo-cons that Mitt Romney has hired to serve as his advisors will welcome you with open arms.

October 18, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "C'mon alpo, deny it."

I'm speechless, and my fingers will not type.

What's amazing to me is that anyone, including yourself, thinks that particular passage is relevant at all to anything.

Gee...I guess it's a good thing that as a child, he didn't shove a little white girl in elementary school. He might have been strung up and hanged from a tree.

October 18, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
miraweb said...

That is an interesting perspective when you remember that Obama was the guy who found Bin Laden and George W is now spending his days painting puppy dogs.

Speak softly but carry a big stick, as the man once said.

October 18, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Have any of you liberals who hate the wealthy and the large homes they live in heard about Hussein and Moochelle Obama's 40 million dollar house they are going to live in in Hawaii? How can Hussein Obama afford a 40 million dollar house?"

Barack Obama rumor #1,345.

Can you back up your claim with credible proof? There is no proof out there whatsoever that the President is planning or has began building a home in Hawaii of any value.

The President has rented a $10 million dollar vacation home located there a couple of times.

"I bet you liberals are proud of this fine example of hypocrisy."

I bet you are proud of your record of dropping turds in this forum at an amazing pace.

Didn't your mama teach you how to use a toilet?

October 18, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Is this a rich, white private school? Why is there no diversity in the school yard. Or does Tooney just know how to draw white folk? Figured he'd at least make the victim black like his hero president.

October 18, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
Walden said...

dudes_adouche -- it's over

October 18, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: "At the last debate Romney was asked to detail how he is different from George W. Bush. . . My political ad would begin with that clip. . . First, George would say he wants to make America energy independent. Then Mitt would say he wants to make America energy independent."

Great idea, Blackwater48. And since about two-thirds of Romney’s advisors and campaign staff are veterans of the Bush administration, I would also add a group photo where nothing changed except a smiling photo of George W. Bush morphing into a smiling photo of Mitt Romney

October 18, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
miraweb said...

So far Romney has picked on the elderly, big bird, the poor, two moderators, and even a soup kitchen. Bullying is a problem in a 10 year old. It's just sad at 65.

October 18, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: You nailed it. Both of you are a-holes. Thanks for the reminder.

October 18, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: that's really a reach. romney a bully. you don't even believe that.

October 18, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
mymy said...

LOL Funny. Anyone informed should know that Obama is the Liar n Chief Chicago Street Bully with no record to run on. The stupidity of some people amazes me!

19 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 18, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
rolando said...

Can't object too much, right? I mean, Romney certainly kicked The Obama's Azz...twice. Right there on TV in front of God and everybody. Just the guy we need to deal with the A-Rabs.

The OBI is a slow learner.

October 18, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
rolando said...

Good one, JR.

October 18, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
mtnman1 said...

How is Romney a bully? He's only criticized failed policies. Obama is going the character assassination route. THAT, my friends is a bully. Not that he's a very good one...

October 18, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JonRoss: Undoubtedly, ALPO is paid by the word. Can you imagine working for that flatulent fellow? I can hear it now: "yessuh Mr. Cliff" "I got it this time Mr. Cliff" ...and so forth.

October 18, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
degage said...

Just got home from voting! yep, Voted for republican all the way.

Hey Al do you ever sleep? Your first post on this toon 2:52 and you have been posting ever since. This election giving you insomnia?

October 18, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

You Cons are a hoot. Mitt came off as a frustrated, angry bully. Faux News and its minions are all in a dither trying to soften Mittens image. Sorry, the camera doesn't lie, only Faux News.

http://www.farleftside.com/misc/2012/angry-mitt.jpg

October 18, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

diggity: The eye of the beholder, and so forth. Your man, The Messiah, seems to me to put forth the demeanor that way down deep, he doesn't give a shiz if he wins or not.

October 18, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb notes: “an interesting perspective when you remember that Obama was the guy who found Bin Laden and George W is now spending his days painting puppy dogs. Speak softly but carry a big stick, as the man once said.”

I suspect Harp3339 secretly embraces the old reckless neoconservative policies of the Bush adminstration. In his mind, President Obama is a wuss because he obviously hasn’t bought into the “real men want to go to Tehran” kind of thing - whereas, Mitt Romney has.

October 18, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You know the Dems have thrown in the towel when Monica Lewinski changes sides. She says "the Dems left a bad taste in my mouth."

October 18, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountianlaurel said....

I’m sure all of those previously owned neo-cons that Mitt Romney has hired to serve as his advisors will welcome you with open arms.

Fiscally conservative and liberal social views is where I am. Yes, you would see more "will work for food" signs that actually mean it. Romney doesn't have the gonads to be as conservative as I would be. Those disabled, elderly and children under 19 would be well provided for otherwise live a state that will assist those in need or join the military. It would be workfare, not welfare. I would not participate in being an enabler of dependency and incompetence. The federal government would be limited to those powers assigned by the constitution with a literal and strict interpretation.

An overhaul of the education system and process must happen or the slide down the slippery slope continues without interruption. Neither party addresses the root cause they just talk about more or less money with a tweak here or there on the process.

October 18, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel and miraweb say....

I suspect Harp3339 secretly embraces the old reckless neoconservative policies of the Bush adminstration.

You got that totally wrong. Those middle east and north Africa countries waiting on me to do anything to intervene or act on their behalf would be very disapointed. However, if they attacked or seriously threatened to attack America collateral damage would not be a concern. I suspect if people there knew how we would react our intelligence sources and gathering would vastly improve.

October 18, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
miraweb said...

I am concerned that Mitt's entire foreign policy seems to be based on his bullying.

Mitt in elementary school:

"I'm gonna tell Chadster what's what and if he doesn't get it I'm gonna take him down behind the cafeteria."

Mitt at Cranbrook:

"I'm gonna tell Lauber what's what and if he doesn't get it I'm gonna cut off his stupid hair."

Mitt at Bain:

"I'm gonna tell [INSERT CEO] what's what and if he doesn't get it I'm gonna start firing people.

Mitt in the White House:

"I'm gonna tell China what's what and if they don't get it . . . er . . .um . . . "

followed by:

"I'm gonna tell Tehran what's what and if they don't get it I'm gonna start WWIII"

Romney remains the man with no plan.

October 18, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: you mean those neocon policies that most dems voted for? Those?

October 18, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
miraweb said...

And how about that Cleopatra. She just couldn't tell her asp from her elbow.

Tip your waiters, folks. Jack will be here all week!

October 18, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

jack overtips

October 18, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mymy said: "The stupidity of some people amazes me!"

I know just what you mean, Mymy. Take Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, for example. (Sigh) What kind of fool hires a group of mindless twits who are known for orchestrating one of the biggest and costliest blunders in the history of U.S. foreign relations to be his foreign policy advisors. – we’re talking human costs, economic costs, diplomatic costs. Know what I mean, Mymy? . . . Talk about amazingly stupid people.

October 18, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Welfare spending has grown substantially over the past four years, reaching $746 billion in 2011 — or more than Social Security, basic defense spending or any other single chunk of the federal government — according to a new memo by the Congressional Research Service.

Certainly this makes Mira, Mtn, dude_ , ALPO, Noogs, raygunz, tar water, et al VERY, very happy. More den. votes, after all. No?

October 18, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mericans got to watch two debates last night -- the debate before and after CNN's Candy Crowley's ill-considered intervention as moderator-in-chief.
In the first half of Tuesday night's "town hall" style debate, Mitt Romney appeared confident, articulate, and quick to challenge President Obama’s policies and performance in office. But after Crowley told Romney that he was wrong about how Obama had characterized the killings of a U.S. ambassador and three other officials in Libya, Obama was emboldened and Romney was clearly on the defensive. Crowley’s intervention not only ignored her duty to be a neutral moderator, it effectively swung the debate in Obama’s favor. Her intervention startled Romney and set him off his game. Clearly taken back at being challenged on the nebulous facts surrounding the events in Benghazi and what Obama had said about them, Romney flubbed an opportunity to challenge the president on his policies towards Libya and his efforts to protect American officials serving in dangerous posts abroad.

SO TRUE. Judith Miller hardly a R-wing nut. But, hell, Candy was just following the plan.

October 18, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney was totally unprepared with a really, really, really important fact on his keystone issue.

He had no knowledge of the actual quote and no canned comeback prepared.

Then he choked.

With the entire country watching.

October 18, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "laurel: you mean those neocon policies that most dems voted for? Those?"

I agree that a lot of Democrats fell for the big lie peddled by the neo conservatives in the Bush administration, but at the least these Democrats that you’re referencing appear to have learned an important lesson from the big blunder, which is obviously a lot more that anyone can say about Republicans like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. What is that old saying – Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

October 18, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
timbo said...

Bully?...I got two words for you....Joe Biden.

In all the debates so far the dumbocrats have around 8 minutes more time than the Republicans.

Candy Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times and Obama only 9.

Romney had 3.8 minutes less than Obama. Crowley said several times that they were keeping up with the time. That means she deliberately cut Mitt Romney's time down. This was orchestrated and she should be fired.

Romney was debating two people instead of one.

Candy Crowley and Obama were in cahoots. I wouldn't doubt one bit that someone on her staff gave Obama the questions before hand.

Obama is too dumb to answer anything on the fly.

October 18, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira, I'll stipulate that Mitt should have anticipated the IED. No question.

October 18, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

welfare spending up 32% last 4 years. That's a lot of dem votes to overcome.

October 18, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
miraweb said...

I agree Mitt had two opponents at the debate. The first was the President. The second was Mitt Romney.

I think the question that surprised both candidates was the one asking Romney to differentiate himself from George W. Bush. They both showed some ability to think on their feet though Romney's equivalent of "I don't know" seems to be "Let me tell you about my five point plan."

October 18, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack - I'm sure Romney is hunting for somebody to fire for that lapse right now. Maybe they have a binder full of interns.

That may cheer him up - he likes firing people, you know.

October 18, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

In case you missed it, Scott Desjarlais was named Colbert's Alpha Dog of the Week.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/420305/october-17-2012/alpha-dog-of-the-week---scott-desjarlais

October 18, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Good Mira. Are you carnal with Axelrod?

October 18, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: I'm sure the Romney staff will be chastised for not anticipating the ambush from a liberal moderator. They should have learned that long ago. (but I know, she was only trying to help move it along) You leftists bring new dimension to myopic.

October 18, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ultimately the job of the president is a job where the excuses just don't matter all that much.

If he couldn't manage Candy Crowley then dealing with Congress would be a whole new adventure.

October 18, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: “I am concerned that Mitt's entire foreign policy seems to be based on his bullying.” Mitt at Cranbrook: "I'm gonna tell Lauber what's what and if he doesn't get it I'm gonna cut off his stupid hair." . . Mitt in the White House: "I'm gonna tell Tehran what's what and if they don't get it I'm gonna start WWIII."

Most of the bullies that I’ve met were very narcissistic people with sort of an antisocial twist. In the case of these Republican neo-conservatives, I think a more accurate description would be cowardly narcissistic people with a very strong antisocial twist.

Interestingly, although they peddle endless war policies most of these neo-conservatives like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, John Bolton, Richard Perle - along with their cheerleaders like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly – were all draft dodgers.

Needless to say, the same is true with Mitt Romney. Like Cheney, Romney sought and received multiple deferments. As I recall, Cheney had five deferments and Romney had four. Apparently, each had better things to do than serving their country.

October 18, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

Actually its fairly easy to find out what Candy Crowley was thinking. She was on The View following the debate.

In that interview she said that people will see what they want to see. No truer statement was said this week.

PS. It doesn't attack your manhood to watch The View online. Just clear out your browser history when you're done and no one will know.

October 18, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
raygunz said...

tu_quoque, I'm sure your "gaydar" is much more finely tuned than mine. LOL

October 18, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
degage said...

All you libs refer to conservatives as neocons well I refer to you libs as socialist/marxest, since that is exactly what you are.

October 18, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis says: "Mira: I'm sure the Romney staff will be chastised for not anticipating the ambush from a liberal moderator. They should have learned that long ago."

For heaven's sake, Jack. The moderator was not picking on poor Mitt. You need to get a grip on reality here. Some people just don't see things as you do:

"In last night's second Presidential debate, Mitt Romney once again tried to hide the "severely conservative" views he espoused just a few months ago

But there's one thing Romney can't hide. He is a bully. Not a physically menacing one, but a whining, controlling, my way or the highway kind of bully. The kind of childhood bully who would declare petulantly that if he didn't get to play first base, he would take the balls and bats home with him because "they're mine."

Jim Lehrer let Romney run free from the rules in the first debate, but Candy Crowley would have none of it. Crowley admonished Romney when he insisted on talking after she told him his time was up, and Romney slinked back to his stool like a fifth grader in the principal's office. . . his insistence on ignoring the rules, changing his positions constantly, and repeating misinformation even after the fact checkers expose him, are the character traits of a bully who will do whatever it takes to seal the deal.

In the second debate, Obama dominated on every issue, in both substance and style, and was unfazed and unflappable when Romney tried to bully him. Romney came off as the laughable kind of bully who can do no real harm. Unless he gets elected President."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-blakeman/romney-gives-new-meaning-_b_1972467.html

October 18, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

Cheer up, Jack. I even left you an easy one earlier.

We all know it was Bill Clinton who had a binder full of interns.

Baddumph-bing!

October 18, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

true or false? Candy Crowley just awarded honorary Secret Service badge.

October 18, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
miraweb said...

Mountain Laurel is dead on that the NeoCons are trying to rise again with Romney. Many people in that bunch should never be let near the reins of power again.

General Colin Powell recently said of Romney's picks:

"Some of them are quite far to the right, and sometimes they, I think, might be in a position to make judgments or recommendations to the candidate that should get a second thought."

Below are some of the people who are officially advising the Romney campaign. If he gets in, they would be expected to be nominated to important positions in his administration:


Foreign Policy / National Security

Norm Coleman

Former Republican Senator, Minnesota. Close connections with George W Bush and Karl Rove Considered a moderate Republican.

Robert Kagan

Co-founder of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and its current successor the Foreign Policy Initiative. Foreign policy commenator at Brookings. Strong NeoCon credentials.

Daniel Senor

Chief of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq under Bush. Banker and neoconservative pundit.

Vin Weber

Founding member of PNAC. Called the "Superlobbyist."


Justice

Robert Bork, chair

Judge who was named to the Supreme Court by Reagan but whose nomination was famously rejected. Became the Acting Attorney General after Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre."Associated with the American Enterprise institute and the Hudson Institute.


Health Care Policy

Scott Gottlieb

Physician associated with the American Enterprise Institute. A primary mover to kill Obamacare.

Paul Howard

Attorney representing hospitals and medical providers. Writes for the National Review. Also a key mover to kill Obamacare.

October 18, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^^ looks ok to me

October 18, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

Looks like some idiot decided to play Pakistani Taliban Jr. today. Sidwell Friends was evacuated after a threat. That is the school the Obama daughters attend. Secret service is investigating.

Just where in the brain is the hole that makes someone think that attacking young girls makes you tough and mighty?

October 18, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
timbo said...

The problem here is that you dumbocrats want to strengthen the biggest bully of all. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

October 18, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Gallup R-52 O-45

There is some silver lining here for the 'rats. McGovern got 37% of the vote in one of the worst defeats ever...maybe Barry's won't be that bad.

October 18, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
mtngrl said...

37% just happens to be Romney's current chance of winning according to Intrade, Obama is at 63%

fivethirtyeight has it at 65.7% for Obama and 34.3% Romney.

And this is at Romney's peak after the 1st debate

October 18, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nooga: You're a real wordsmith, pal.

October 18, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
Walden said...

mtnhoney - Intrade is meaningless because there are tons of Republicans buying shares in an Obama win because they are pessimistic about the electoral map.

October 18, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
Walden said...

mtnhoney - furthermore, it may be smart to buy Obama shares if you are a Romney supporter, because even if Obama wins and said Romney supporter is distraught over that outcome, he at least has made some money on Intrade!

October 18, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Got any evidence on who is jacking up those Intrade numbers Walden? They have been accurate the last 2 presidential elections.

And the numbers are awfully close to the fivethirtyeight numbers which is not based on bets but a poll of polls.

2 drastically different methods to arrive at the same conclusion.

October 18, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ said... "...and that will be especially true when they see their friends and neighbors going to the polls on the 6th and they won’t be curious enough to ask what they are up to."

What kind of idiotic statement is that? Do you ask your neighbors where they are going when they leave? Really? "Hey, why are you leaving your house right now?" LMAO You're gonna need to admit that this is a stupid statement.

October 18, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu said, incredibly,... "If your are instead referring to some yahoo that was running a false flag harassment operation against TheObozo then why mention only the girls that go to that school and not the boys."

False flag? Are you clairvoyant? Was the term 'false flag' part of the news story? This shows us how the neocon mind works.

October 18, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
mtngrl said...

A conservative blog link about a poll that will be released "later this month" that only covers popular vote, not electoral....

Keep your hopes up Tu....

October 18, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Looks like Ryan has caused major damage with that soup kitchen stunt he pulled.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/soup-kitchen-paul-ryan-photo-donor_n_1980541.html

Ryan supporters have now targeted Antal and his soup kitchen, Antal said, including making hundreds of angry phone calls. Some members of Antal's volunteer staff have had to endure the barrage as well, he said. "The sad part is a lot of [the callers] want to hide behind anonymity," he said, adding that if someone leaves their name and number he has tried to return their call. In addition to phone calls, people have posted a few choice words on the charity's Facebook wall, including statements like "I hope you lose your tax [sic] emempt status," Anyone who is thinking about donations to you should think twice" and "Shame on you Brian Antal!"

On the phone with HuffPost, Antal seemed worn out by all the vitriol. "Honesty, I really don't need any more attention," he said. "I really just want this to go away."

Antal said doesn't understand why donors would take out their frustration over the incident on those who can't afford to pay for their own meals. "I'm a volunteer,' he said. "I receive zero compensation. Withholding donations is only going to hurt the over 100,000 we serve annually."

October 18, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
dude_abides said...

No good, tu_. How would they see their friends and neighbors going to "the polls?" Do they live next to "the polls?" LOL I didn't misdirect, slimy, I just tried to imagine what someone would say to their neighbors and friends in the ridiculous scenario you suggested.

October 18, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_proudtoadmitmistakes... are you implying that all Latinos live next to the polling stations? Or that they are nosy by nature? How would a normal person deduce that their neighbor is going to vote, tu_?

October 18, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_: the dude_ tries very hard, but his logic is as missing as Susan Rice.

October 18, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - That is just psychotic and incredibly narcissistic.

I have seen the sort of "faux-hipster" mentality that thinks that cynicism makes you somehow smart and cool.

It doesn't.

Cynicism is a choice and it's often a bad one. Having your eyes open without becoming cynical is real work and a much healthier and happier way to live.

If they don't have a professional staff and the volunteers leave after clean-up just who do you think is actually picking up the phone.

Go down to your local shelter and find out. It is usually the homeless residents who handle the phones.

And it's a dumb way to get a misdemeanor on your record. Phone records are the easiest thing in the world to trace.

Crank phone calls to a soup kitchen?

Really?

October 18, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, you are a pig and your posts are predictable and banal. This doesn't bother me as much as the fact that you really believe you offer something. Go check your mail, again.

October 18, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - close your redstate window and start reading the papers occasionally and you might understand the context of that reference.

I don't think you're going to get the metaphor, but that's really not my problem.

The reference was to a young Pakistani girl named Malala who was shot in the face last week by the Pakistan Taliban for attending school. She is now in a UK hospital and faces a long recovery.

Threatening schoolgirls (and schoolboys, to be fair) looks pretty much the same whether it is here or in Pakistan or anywhere else.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-19984092

October 18, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Oh, tu_, I see. So you decided, instead of paying attention to the gist of her post, you'd concentrate on the minutiae by focusing on her description of the perps. I didn't pick up from her that she thought they were running a 'false flag' operation, tu_. Sounded more to me like she was saying they were behaving like Pakistani Taliban. lol

October 18, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
miraweb said...

they were behaving like Pakistani Taliban . . .

Bingo! Buy that man a beer.

October 18, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

YES!!! Vindication from miraweb! Thank you. Look at the post times. Love it.

October 18, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said.....

Your new term neoconservative doesn't' fit me too well. You know from my earlier post you know my position on wars, the middle east and north Africa. You may not accept it but you know what I think of Obama and you have not heard me brag on or recommend Romney. The fact is I interact often with a number of people and really have a ball. We don't talk about politics and there are a lot of different opinons. I have been asked by several people who they should vote for. To them I say you should sit down and write down what is important to you, what do you think the federal government should do then vote for the person you think would be more likely to do things that way.

ML...I have no doubt if Obama passed gas you, miraweb and alprova would take a deep breath and say OMG he has created a wonderfaul new fragrance or that his farts smell like strawberries. I also know nothing I or anyone else says or anything Obama does would sway you from that position. I admire your tanacity, hang in there. I do wonder about the wisdom of the view that we are not about to have an economic melt down and that we can't worry about deficits, debts etc. right now. The view that we need to keep borrowing, printing and spending scares me.

October 18, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

tu_quoque said...

Why do the Libtards keep posting links to a photo of Romney and TheObozo at the debate? It shows Romney with his game face on...

Yep he has his game face on. It's called angry and frustrated.

October 18, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack - yeah, the NeoCons were just a load of laughs the first time round. Surveillance, data mining, holding people without trial, Abu Ghraib - and there are so many oil rich nations we haven't invaded yet.

Good times!

October 18, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

You know tu_ is at a loss when it attacks typos. It's concentrating on minutiae.

October 18, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Now resorting to ugly name calling. Does not square with your usual (perceived) flowing prose. And BTW, dude_, what exactly are YOU offering?

October 18, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mr. President. I agree. Having 4 Americans killed is not optimal.

October 18, 2012 at 7:24 p.m.
hotdiggity said...
October 18, 2012 at 7:28 p.m.
miraweb said...

Words do have meaning. Dictionaries can help, too.

My writing is fine. Your reading needs a little work. When in doubt: Ask Dr. Google.

October 18, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, I am offering ethereal escapism. A whimsical path to extreme unction, festooned with life's rich pageant. Don't stand there akimbo, with bended neck. Tip the canoe, you smiler,you.

October 18, 2012 at 7:48 p.m.
Walden said...

its over Libs

October 18, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ types cryptically... "...second possible meaning to you post and that was you were continuing on with ..."

WOW Did that make sense before it posted itself? Continuing on? Isn't that overly, inordinately, excessively redundant?

October 18, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.
Walden said...

What we are experiencing right now are the beginnings of the death throes of the regular Libs on this site. After next Monday's thorough thrashing of B. Hussein Obama regarding Foreign Policy we will be in the final stages of death for the Left. When Clay is throwing out the crap he is these days, and all the Libs can talk about is Binders of Women, the game is over, it's lost. Bye Bye.

October 18, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sorry I found her post legible and logical, tu_. God provided the timing! You know, when I read her posts, I sense grace and discipline and honesty. When I read yours I sense ashtrays and TV dinners and a bra hanging on a doorknob.

October 18, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Walden! What's up dawg? Listen, were you in the Boy Scouts?

October 18, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

Me thinks the Walden doeth protest too much.

October 18, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - It's important to understand that "play the fool" doesn't mean to literally buy a hat with little bells on it and start wearing tights.

Though I could really see Romney in that outfit.

October 18, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
ricardo said...

Waldo is skeered of the inevitable Obama re-election.

October 18, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
Walden said...

Mira - nice Hamlet reference, not sure if it's accurate...

Dude - not a Boy Scout. Slimy reference.

ricardo - I am totally scared of an Obama re-election, as should you be. He is a disaster, as Romney has eloquently pointed out in two debates, soon to be three.

October 18, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

Looking through the Son of PNAC / Foreign Policy Initiative web site I finally understand where Romney is getting his "100,000 more soldiers" ideas.

They've got some pretty big plans that will need a big military. The deficit is no worry of theirs.

They are calling for boots on the ground in Syria; more naval and air power near China; arms sales to Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, and India; and selling fighter jets to Taiwan.

They want us to walk away from Russia and start putting missiles in Georgia and Poland and other nearby states. It seems they made some promises about this to get the "coalition of the willing" under Bush.

They are also very sore that we don't have a string of military bases in Iraq.

Romney is off book with his threat of tariffs against China. Even the NeoCons see no point in a trade war with China.

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/foreignpolicy2012

October 18, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.
Walden said...

Jon - you are correct. BHO just said on the Daily Show that it's "not optimal" that 4 Americans were murdered in Benghazi. Game over.

October 18, 2012 at 9 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Finally!! We get the details of Mitts tax plan.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

October 18, 2012 at 9:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

Not actually what he said, Walden. Here is the full quote:

I would say and even you would admit it was not the optimal response at least to the American people as far as all of us being on the same page."

"Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal. And we are going to fix it, all of it. And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know the government is a big operation at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what's broken and you fix it."

I'm sure there are spin-gasms going on down at Fox. They can start putting their whisky bottles back in the bottom drawer.

Obama did not say the deaths were "not optimal". He said his government's response was. A very important distinction.

Now if Romney can manage to go two weeks without a major new gaffe, he could wrap this thing up.

What's more impressive is the entire right-wing world will be watching Jon Stewart tonight. Try not to let your heads explode.

October 18, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
Walden said...

Mira - game over.

October 18, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

There is one more debate. If Romney gets the actual quote wrong or spins it out of context it could look very bad for him.

I will be very interested to see if the man can learn or if he makes the same fatal error - twice.

The spin-machine may be so set to autopilot that it just can't stop itself. If it can't correct then Romney is vulnerable.

October 18, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Turn out the lights.....

October 18, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
patriot1 said...

The fat lady is clearing her throat....Obama campaign is starting to talk about firewalls and circling wagons, not a good sign.

October 18, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

19 days gaffe-free - that is what Romney will have to pull off.

October 18, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Another fine right wing conservative hypocrite exposed. Defender of family and christian values no less. The president of an evangelical college no less. You wingers are so entertaining.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/dinesh-dsouza-resigns-kings-college_n_1980921.html

http://www.worldmag.com/2012/10/king_s_crisis

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/big-love-king-s-college-dsouzas-mistress-was-also-married

October 18, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
miraweb said...
October 18, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

binders...you lefties are grasping.

October 18, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says in a new interview that she can’t stand “whining” by women who are unhappy with the work and family choices they’ve made in life and complain that they have no options.

You tell'em, Hil

October 18, 2012 at 11:41 p.m.
facyspacy said...

@ hotdiggity.... Your link could be the most moronic information I ever read. Tipical Libtard.... It says Romney has a plan to cut taxes by 5 trillion and tax the middle class more..... There are only 312 million people in the US. That means that based on that link, every single person in the US would get a 1.67 million tax decrease this yr. Check your facts bud. 5 trillion / 311 million= 1.67 million dollars

October 19, 2012 at 12:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

Both candidates need a job since neither would make it as a stand up comedian. Once again CNN and FOX showed their true colors. CNN=both had some good lines but Obama better delivery. FOX=both were good but Romney's jokes and delivery better. I doube anyone will decide how to vote based on who they thought was funniest.

October 19, 2012 at 2:24 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy, your division leaves a little to be desired. To arrive at the $5 trillion dollars in tax cuts that Mitt Romney has proposed, you merely need to add up the 20 percent tax reduction across the board for all taxpayers.

Then you add his proposal to eliminate the tax revenue for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 in what they have been paying for interest, dividends, and capital gains.

Then you add the revenue eliminated with his proposal to eliminate the Death Tax.

Then you add the revenue that will be lost when he repeals the Alternative Minimum Tax on individual taxpayers.

He wants to cut the corporate rate 10 percent to 25 percent. Add that in.

He is proposing to strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit.

He has proposed switching to a territorial tax system

He proposes a repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax.

Then, the results of all the tax cuts are spread out over the next ten years, to arrive at a figure of approximately $4.8 trillion dollars.

Now this is what Romney has proposed, and in the absence of stating EXACTLY how all the above tax cuts are going to be paid for, this is why the $5 trillion figure has been hanging out there.

He has additionally proposed spending $2 trillion more to beef up the military. He has proposed making all the Bush tax cuts for everyone permanent. That adds another trillion, again over ten years.

Several CREDIBLE economists have studied what Mitt Has proposed and because he has not provided the details as to how how he proposes to pay for them, an attempt has been made to calculate his plan several different ways, and the bottom line is that there is no possible way for Mitt to make the tax cuts he has proposed and keep three dynamic promises;

• The rate cuts would be paid for without adding to the deficit.

• People at the high end "will still pay the same share of the tax burden they’re paying now."

• Everyone would see tax rate reductions.

(To be cont.)

October 19, 2012 at 3:36 a.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

Income earners of $1 million or more in taxable income would see an average net tax decrease of $87,117.

Income earners of between $500,000 and $1 million would see a cut of about $17,000.

Income earners of between $200,000 and $500,000 would see a decrease of about $1,800.

The only way to keep Romney's plan revenue neutral, deductions would also have to be eliminated for people with incomes below $200,000.

Income earners of between $50,000 and $75,000 would see an average net tax increase of $641.

Taxpayers with children whose income is below $200,000 would see their taxes go up by an average of $2,041.

Mitt's tax plan represents a proposal that only benefits the wealthiest Americans. Lowering tax rates is a rather empty promise if the eliminated deductions add up to a higher figure, as they will absolutely have to for those who make less than $200,000, in order to make his plan revenue neutral.

The bottom line is that Mitt is lying to the wealthy or he is lying to the middle class. There is no possible way for him to implement his plan and keep any or all of his promises.

The general consensus is that he is lying to anyone who makes less than $200,000 a year in order to give himself a very big tax break over the next ten years.

Mitt is full of sh*t.

October 19, 2012 at 3:36 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says in a new interview that she can’t stand “whining” by women who are unhappy with the work and family choices they’ve made in life and complain that they have no options."

Cherry picking one sentence out of a four page article is rather disingenuous, although I am completely aware that you copied and pasted it to post in here.

The fact of the matter is that Mrs. Clinton had plenty more to say in that interview, which more than clarify the cherry picked quote above, and which I'm sure that you, as a man who has the attention span of one sentence, will never read.

Here's the link to the full interview if anyone else is interested;

http://www.marieclaire.com/world-reports/inspirational-women/hillary-clinton-farewell

October 19, 2012 at 3:50 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Welfare spending has grown substantially over the past four years, reaching $746 billion in 2011 — or more than Social Security, basic defense spending or any other single chunk of the federal government — according to a new memo by the Congressional Research Service."

And if you were remotely aware of the facts, the above quoted figure represents a compiling of three distinctly separate spending categories. Education and General Gov't spending had to be thrown in to arrive at a figure of $746 billion.

A little research also shows that the Welfare spending category is comprised of several component categories, several of which are not generally considered to be "welfare" as is usually offered to describe providing support for the poor.

Total welfare category spending for year 2011 was $565.4 billion. That $565.4 billion breaks down as follows;

Family and Children - $99.3 billion;

Unemployment Compensation - $194.3 billion;

Worker's Compensation - $8.0 billion;

Housing - $77.0 billion, and;

Social exclusion (Job training, SNAP, TANF, etc.) - $186.8 billion

Taking the family and children, housing, and Social exclusion categories, you arrive at a figure of $363.1 billion.

Defense spending for that same year was $928.5 billion, so there exists a very big departure from the truth when one digs into your quoted asinine claim.

"Welfare" spending represents 39.5% of what was spent by the Gov't for defense.

Of the entire amount spent by the Gov't in 2011, actual "welfare" spending came to about 9.8%.

October 19, 2012 at 4:30 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Thanks for the tip, Cliff Claven. I never said I didn't cut & paste. Learned that from you. I just try to be more succinct, moron. BTW, moron, your statement "The general consensus is that he (romney) is lying to anyone who makes less than $200,000 a year in order to give himself a very big tax break over the next ten years" That's one for the ages, Cliff.

October 19, 2012 at 5:08 a.m.
mymy said...

18 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 19, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"...Barack Obama has pension investments that include Chinese firms, and "investments through a Caymans trust."

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/oct/17/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-also-has-investments-chinese-com/

October 19, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

TOES02800 said... "...Barack Obama has pension investments that include Chinese firms, and "investments through a Caymans trust."

Well, if rmoney said it, it must be true. ROFLMAO LOL But the LIAR Rmoney's statement, actually has some truth in this one. Every American that has an IRA or 401K is investing in the same things, unless they are diligent about making sure where their money is going. Are you trying to mislead? Or are you just ignorant?

October 19, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Welfare spending jumps 32% during Obama’s presidency

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/18/welfare-spending-jumps-32-percent-four-years/

Alpo must be very pleased!

October 19, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
ibshame said...

Here's a gallup poll that surely must be playing around with the numbers. LOL

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, is 7.3% in mid-October, down considerably from 7.9% at the end of September and at a new low since Gallup began collecting employment data in January 2010. Gallup's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate is 7.7%, also down from September. October's adjusted mid-month measure is also more than a percentage point lower than October 2011.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-the-unemployment-rate-is-collapsing-2012-10#ixzz29kdfxnQF

Surely Jack Welch will have a problem with this one. After all that Chicago gang must surely have gallup in their back pockets. LOL

October 19, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

President Obama’s Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*

SpectraWatt ($500,000)*

Solyndra ($535 million)*

Beacon Power ($69 million)*

AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)

Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)

SunPower ($1.5 billion)

First Solar ($1.46 billion)

Babcock and Brown ($178 million)

EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*

Amonix ($5.9 million)

National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)

Fisker Automotive ($528 million)

Abound Solar ($374 million)*

A123 Systems ($279 million)*

Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)

Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Schneider Electric ($86 million)

Brightsource ($1.6 billion)

ECOtality ($126.2 million)

Raser Technologies ($33 million)*

Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*

Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*

Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*

Range Fuels ($80 million)*

Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*

Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*

LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*

UniSolar ($100 million)*

Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*

GreenVolts ($500,000)

Vestas ($50 million)

LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)

Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*

Navistar ($10 million)

Satcon ($3 million)*

Alpo must be pleased!

October 19, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "I never said I didn't cut & paste. Learned that from you."

I cut and past news articles, and attribute them properly.

"I just try to be more succinct, moron."

Oh...is that what you were doing? It couldn't be that you were guilty of passing on some rather inflated, false information?

"BTW, moron, your statement "The general consensus is that he (romney) is lying to anyone who makes less than $200,000 a year in order to give himself a very big tax break over the next ten years" That's one for the ages."

Quite frankly, I don't see how anyone cannot see th truth in my statement. His math doesn't add up, which is the very reason why he refuses to divulge the details as to how he plans to pay for his rate decrease proposal and other tax eliminations.

He of all people, as a man who earns an income each and every year that places him in that top 1%, would benefit tremendously from his own tax plan.

Go ahead and vote for the man. If he's elected, I hope he keeps every promise that he has made on the campaign trail. If he does, not only will 47% of this country will not be worried about, that will expand to about 75% that will be shafted by the man.

I am still very confident that the man will not win, despite what some of the polls are indicating, and the fact that Mitt Romney really, really wants to be the first Mormon President of the United States.

October 19, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
mymy said...

The only “for sure poll” is 11/6/12, but:

On Fox News' "The Five", former Democratic strategist Bob Beckel sounded defeated when reflecting on today's Gallup poll showing Mitt Romney taking a 52-45 percent lead over Barack Obama nationally. "It's over. If these numbers are true, it's over," Beckel said.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/18/Beckel-It-Is-Over

October 19, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES902800: "Alpo must be very pleased!"

Already addressed.

October 19, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I'dbeashamedtoo: Here are some Gallup poll numbers you might like too!

Romney- 52% Obama- 45%

Keep in mind, no challenging candidate in American history ever lost when he was in the "50's" with only two weeks left. History is NOT on your side.

October 19, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo can't deny the truth. "already addressed". Very laughable.

October 19, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

<<<<<<< will be star of the show

October 19, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Obama's second term, shovel-ready job, burying the American economy. --Rush

October 19, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Walden said...

mira - perhaps you, along with BHO, don't understand proper sentence construction (think "you didn't build that.."). The quote from the Daily Show was ""Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal." The 'it' refers back to the killing, and nothing less. BHO is cold blooded, like a snake.

October 19, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

For first time, Romney's favorability rating tops Obama's

http://washingtonexaminer.com/for-first-time-romneys-favorability-rating-tops-obamas/article/2511203#.UIFlq8XA88i

looks like Romney has closed that 26% gap. Face it libby's, Obama's coming apart faster than slow roasted pork.

October 19, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ol' Alpo: Playing the Mormon card. Typical hypocritical leftist loon.

October 19, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Ol' Jack_: Yearning for Bush III. Typical stubborn right wing chicken hawk, believing if you keep saying you're right, one day you just may be.

October 19, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Seems like Obama and his liberal crew are throwing used arrows: "Bain is evil" "war on women" "Romney's a bully".........

None of it worked the first time.

What's Obama's plan for the next four years?

If Obama thinks talking about big bird and binders will win him another four, then he's living on Sesame street.

October 19, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
ibshame said...

It's amazing how when the polls have President Obama up the right wing nuts are so sure the polls have to be WRONG, yet when Romney is up then truly the race must be OVER. If President Obama should win on Nov. 6th, the misery of wing nuts will be interesting to watch. On the other hand should Romney win, it will simply be a miserable replay of the eight years of W.

October 19, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_ : I got nothing for Bush. Tip, dude: Say what you mean without meandering around the subject. This ain't English102. You come at everthing from an oblique angle. Did you learn that at N. AL State Art School? Hmmm?

October 19, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
miraweb said...

Gallup is a little strange right now. They are the only major poll with Romney over 50%.

Here's the summary:

Poll - Obama - Romney

IBD/TIPP 46 - 46

Gallup 45 - 52

UConn 48 - 45

ABC / WP 49 - 46

GWU 49 - 48

Fox 45 - 46

Zogby 45 - 45

Pew 45 - 49

Natl Jnl 50 - 46

Nate Silver (the 538 guy) wrote yesterday that when Gallup gets away from the pack, their record isn't good. We'll have to see if that remains true.

http://pollingreport.com/

October 19, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I'dbeashamedtoo: Eight years of misery under Bush? I'll take 5% unemployment and $1.80 a gal. gas any day over the last four years of Obama. Is crow a delicacy on your planet?

And by the way, I only posted the Gallup poll numbers because YOU went on and on about ...what else...GALLUP POLL NUMBERS!!

You only like the numbers when they play your way. Typical.

October 19, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_ said... "You come at everthing from an oblique angle. Did you learn that at N. AL State Art School? Hmmm?"

Did you mean to say everthang? LMAO

October 19, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
ibshame said...

"TOES02800 said... I'dbeashamedtoo: Eight years of misery under Bush? I'll take 5% unemployment and $1.80 a gal. gas any day over the last four years of Obama. Is crow a delicacy on your planet? And by the way, I only posted the Gallup poll numbers because YOU went on and on about ...what else...GALLUP POLL NUMBERS!!

You only like the numbers when they play your way. Typical."

No , you posted the numbers because you believe it shows Romney has WON the race. That's why you posted them. As for the numbers I posted from gallup, if you believe (as you seem to) the gallup numbers are accurate with regards to the current state of the Presidential race then surely you must believe their latest poll on the UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS are accurate as well and not some evil machinations of the Chicago Gang as ignorant wing nuts were hollering about two weeks ago. Of course that's the kind of logic I don't expect wing nuts to understand considering your statements about George W. Bush.

October 19, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

. Lowering tax rates is a rather empty promise if the eliminated deductions add up to a higher figure, as they will absolutely have to for those who make less than $200,000, in order to make his plan revenue neutral The general consensus is that he is lying to anyone who makes less than $200,000 a year in order to give himself a very big tax break over the next ten years.

The general consensus may be wrong since no growth is considered.

In your opinion what would be wrong with eliminating all deductions and adjusting the tax rates accordingly? I have never heard or read a logical answer why married couples have a lower rate then singles. I have never heard or read a logical reason why the more kids a couple decides to have the more they can deduct while those with fewer or none have a higher effective tax rate. Head of household and other manipulations are not justified. The reason is these exceptions all cater to a majority to buy votes although some will talk about other pious reasons.

October 19, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... MountainLoon Keeping Track Of The Boots On The Ground: You seem to be implying if a citizen has not served his/her time in military service they have proven themselves unworthy and should have little to say about matters of the military and war. I think only about 5% of the citizenry eligible to serve actually does so and that seems to severely limit the number of people who can have input on those important subjects.

Have you served your time??"

No, the question is not about who has served time it's about who is willing to send someone else's son or daughter off to fight in an UNNECESSARY war and risk their lives for NOTHING. Cheney never served a day in his life but he was one CHICKENHAWK who couldn't wait to send someone else's son or daughter off to war to be killed or maimed. Mitt Romney never served a day in Viet Nam but yet he supported the war and didn't seem to mind it was someone else's son getting killed while he was doing missionary work in Paris. George W. Bush got into the Air National Guard because of the strings his father pulled for him but he never did anything more than campaign for one of his father's friends while in Alabama. Rush Limbaugh sat on his fat greasy boiled ridden behind and never put on a uniform but to let him tell it he's one helluva authority on when the U.S. should use force. The list could go on and on of MIGHTY CHICKENHAWKS who are more than willing to send someone else's son or daughter off to war but certainly not one of them has fought. Mitt Romney has FIVE SONS but the only thing they have done is to serve "MISSIONS" for their church which involves trying to convert people to Mormonism.

If someone really cares about the troops whether they have served in the military or not they don't needlessly send someone else's son or daughter off to war as was done in Iraq. Unfortunately, as a result of Cheney and Bush's readiness to fight in a war that was unnecessary over 4000 young men and women returned home in body bags and some of the thousands who did return home came back maimed for life.

As for Mitt Romney he talks a good game about Iran and making threats about what he would do and no doubt he probably would follow his Neo-con advisers but you can bet it won't be one of his sons who will be on the front lines.

October 19, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

It is important that for both Cheney and Romney there was a major war at the time and an active draft. A lot of people were not able to snag the deferments that kept both men out of combat.

October 19, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

Virginia Arrest of Former Sproul Employee

A 31-year-old Phoenixville man working for a firm hired by the Virginia Republican Party was arrested Thursday after allegedly tossing completed voter registration forms into a dumpster at a shopping center.

According to a release from the Rockingham County Sheriff’s Office, Colin Small was working as a voter registration supervisor for Pinpoint, an independent private company contracted by the Republican Party of Virginia “for the purposes of voter registration.”

However, according to reports in the Los Angeles Times , Small had previously worked for Strategic Allied Consultinga firm owned by Republican operative Nathan Sproul, a firm which has been under investigation for voter registration fraud in other states, including Florida, Arizona, Colorado, as well as questions raised about practices in Pennsylvania.

http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20121019/NEWS01/121019315/%28updated%29-phoenixville-man-charged-with-tossing-va-voter-registration-forms

October 19, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

Rove and Sproul Claim Same Address in Legal Filings

Late last week, the state of Florida released the original election fraud complaint [PDF] filed against Strategic last month. That complaint eventually led to the full-blown criminal investigation by the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement said to now be underway.

As sharp-eyed BRAD BLOG commenter "Citizen92" noticed in those newly released documents, the "Key takeaway from this is that Strategic Allied Consulting has a business address of 45 North Hill Drive, Suite 100, Warrenton, VA."

"Who else has a business address at 45 North Hill Drive?," Citizen92 asked rhetorically, "American Crossroads, Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie's 527 group."

Indeed our good Citizen92 is correct, according to the IRS 527 filing for American Crossroads [PDF], the mailing address for Rove's outfit is also 45 North Hill Drive, Suite 100, in Warrenton, VA.


I just can't wait for the NeoCons to return to Washington.


http://truth-out.org/news/item/12186-roves-american-crossroads-shares-address-legal-firm-with-shady-gop-operatives-firm#comment-479826

October 19, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: My bastardizing the spelling was a simple keystroke error. You, however, are a self made man.

October 19, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

David Gregory Calls Obama Admin's Libya Response 'Sluggish, Sloppy, And Incoherent' http://mediaite.com/a/fveah Is hell freezing?

October 19, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, Thank you for cleaning that mess up. The comical aspect of it was the fact that you attacked my education while committing the error. Well, I guess they're right when they say the Lord works in oblique ways.

October 19, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
patriot1 said...

How many deferments did Plugsy Biden receive during Vietnam? Just so you libs don't have to look it up, it's the same number as Cheney. And as far as his son serving in Iraq, you can bet your sweet behind, serving as a lawyer, he never saw any hot lead.

October 19, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

patriot1 said... How many deferments did Plugsy Biden receive during Vietnam? Just so you libs don't have to look it up, it's the same number as Cheney. And as far as his son serving in Iraq, you can bet your sweet behind, serving as a lawyer, he never saw any hot lead.

So what!? Or did he shoot his friend in the face too?

I am all for no one having to see hot lead.

October 19, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
jesse said...

246 posts w/31 posters sayin the same ole sh!t they been sayin for 2 years!

SOMEBODY needs to get a life!!

Get a hobby,take up fishin or golf or SOMETHIN!!

October 19, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
ibshame said...

tu_quoque said... IBeAshamed Un-Served;

"tu_quoque said... Have you served your time??"

IBeAshamed Responds …. ”No”

”The question is not about who has served time it's about who is willing to send someone else's son or daughter off to fight in an UNNECESSARY war and risk their lives for NOTHING.”

If you’re going to answer for MountainLoon then at least stay on subject and forget the strawmen. The subject wasn’t about fighting unnecessary wars and risking lives for nothing it was about Loon’s characterization of people that are Republican Neo-Cons and failed to serve in the military when they had the opportunity. Her statement was; “I think a more accurate description would be cowardly narcissistic people with a very strong antisocial twist.”

You better hope that she was really limiting that description to Republican Neo-Cons if you know what I mean.

BTW …You left one person off your list and that was TheObozo who is sending troops to fight and die in a war he has no interest in winning but only to manage to a degree that doesn’t harm him politically. Since he did not serve when eligible maybe that proves she is wrong and her description isn’t just limited to Republican Neo-Cons.

Bad news for you after all …. maybe you should have served"

YOU ARE CLEARLY OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE WHEN YOU TRY TO CHANGE THE MEANING OF MY WORDS. YOU AREN'T THAT SMART AND YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T TRY. MY RESPONSE WAS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I HAD SERVED AND IF YOU HAD THE INTELLIGENCE YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU HAVE YOU WOULD HAVE READ MY RESPONSE CORRECTLY. IT'S WHAT'S CALLED WRITING CORRECTLY AND SPEAKING CORRECTLY. WHICH OF COURSE YOU CAN'T DO UNLESS YOU ARE PASTING SOMEONE ELSE'S WORDS. Stick to cutting and pasting because it's what you do best and have since you arrived here. As for Repub Neo-cons she was right, they do have a tendency to want other people to fight their wars while they sit in the comfort of their homes pretending to be GREAT WARRIORS yet many having NEVER SERVED THEMSELVES OR FACED THAT KIND OF DANGER. IF ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT THE TROOPS THEY DON'T PUT THEM IN HARM'S WAY FOR AN UNNECESSARY WAR.

As for President Obama's stand on sending troops, I have always said he should have removed those troops when he entered office but based on information he was receiving from the Generals on the ground and the advice from some of the War Hawks like McCain and Graham, he didn't do that. Even so at the very least he didn't start a war under false pretenses.

October 19, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... He now has been caught in a trap of his own making and Monday night it will be sprung on him thus finishing any chance at electoral victory."

Don't you ever get tired of looking stupid? Evidently not or you wouldn't keep spewing the garbage that you do. You think this puts President Obama in a trap and it's going to finish him off right? Yeah, just like Romney thought he had caught him the other night when he made a complete azz of himself on National TV making the statement about what the President said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack. You wingnuts just don't get it. Keep hope alive though it might work for you yet.

October 19, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, can't you just see tu_ sitting there typing with a cigarette hanging out the corner of it's mouth? One earring in? Smeared eyeliner? Doesn't care if it's 2:00p.m. or 2:00a.m.? Now that's enough to give you a keystroke! Why does it always type a lower case 'a' when LIaO? Like an under-endowed man with a big truck, it must have a huge A and compensates with the lower case version when referring to it. lmDo lol

October 19, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

After a lifetime of voting for and supporting Democrats — and even declining appointment to the U.S. Senate from a Democratic governor — Lee Iacocca Thursday endorsed Republican Mitt Romney for president. The writing is on the wall, southpaws.

October 19, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.
tderng said...

Patriot1 said... And as far as his son serving in Iraq, you can bet your sweet behind, serving as a lawyer, he never saw any hot lead.

What was called in the Nam an REMF,(rear echelon mother fu&#@r). Whereas gov Palin's son is on the front lines, B Co., 1st Bn. (ABN), 143rd Inf. Reg. conducting security operations.

October 19, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
miraweb said...

Felony Charges Added To Virginia Vote Fraud Case

The registration forms that were found in the Harrisonburg trash bin were rushed to the Rockingham County registrar’s office Monday afternoon, just before the 5 p.m. deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 6 election.

“They had a police escort from the store to our office,” said registrar Doug Geib.

Small is charged with eight felony counts of disclosure of voter registration application, four misdemeanor counts of destruction of voter registration application and one misdemeanor count of obstruction of justice.


Of note - the Department of Justice and the U.S. Attorneys' civil right's divisions will be taking phone calls from now through the election for any complaints of disenfranchisement or fraud.

U.S. Justice Department's Voting Section: 1-800-253-3931

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/worker-for-gop-hired-contractor-charged-with-dumping-va-voter-registration-forms/2012/10/19/86062d7a-19f1-11e2-ad4a-e5a958b60a1e_story.html

October 19, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

Up to eight years in jail and more than an $80,000 fine could be on tap for Mr. Small. That's a lot for job that pays $11.50 an hour.

October 19, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney's got no worries with that $150 million he magically squeezed into his IRA.

He'll be fine.

October 19, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
miraweb said...

For those who are just tired of the election, here is an interesting challenge. The FTC has put up a $50,000 prize if you can find a way to stop robocalling.

http://robocall.challenge.gov/rules

October 19, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Orlando Sentinel Endorses Romney After Backing Obama in 2008. Where is that fat lady? Bwahahaha

October 19, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb notes: "Romney's got no worries with that $150 million he magically squeezed into his IRA."

Indeed, when it comes to profits Mitt Romney always does fine. . . Ann Romney also seems to do fine, especially when it comes to her blind trusts. . . It's the rest of us that have to worry:

“Mitt Romney's Bailout Bonanza”

“Romney has done a good job of concealing, until now, the fact that he and his wife, Ann, personally gained at least $15.3 million from the bailout—and a few of Romney’s most important Wall Street donors made more than $4 billion. Their gains, and the Romneys’, were astronomical—more than 3,000 percent on their investment.”

It all starts with Delphi Automotive, a former General Motors subsidiary whose auto parts remain essential to GM’s production lines. No bailout of GM—or Chrysler, for that matter—could have been successful without saving Delphi. . . “

One of the hedge funds profiting from that bailout—
$1.28 billion so far—is Elliott Management, directed by 
Paul Singer. According to The Wall Street Journal, Singer has given more to support GOP candidates—$2.3 million—than anyone else on Wall Street this election season. . .

Singer, whom Fortune magazine calls a “passionate defender of the 1%,” has carved out a specialty investing in distressed firms and distressed nations, which he does by buying up their debt for pennies on the dollar and then demanding payment in full. This so-called “vulture investor” received $58 million on Peruvian debt that he snapped up for $11.4 million, and $90 million on Congolese debt that he bought for a mere $20 million. In the process, he’s built one of the largest private equity firms in the nation, and over decades he’s racked up an unusually high average return on investments of 14 percent.

Other GOP presidential hopefuls chased Singer’s endorsement, but Mitt chased Singer with his own checkbook, investing at least $1 million with Elliott through Ann Romney’s blind trust (it could be far more, but the Romneys have declined to disclose exactly how much). Along the way, Singer gained a reputation, according to Fortune, “for strong-arming his way to profit.” That is certainly what happened at Delphi.”

http://www.thenation.com/print/article/170644/mitt-romneys-bailout-bonanza

October 19, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said... Romney's got no worries with that $150 million he magically squeezed into his IRA.

He'll be fine.

Do you have any idea why, as sad as it may be, it is legal?

miraweb said... For those who are just tired of the election, here is an interesting challenge. The FTC has put up a $50,000 prize if you can find a way to stop robocalling.

http://robocall.challenge.gov/rules

hello miraweb, surely not, that may be the only call some folks get. Cut those out and Gore may use his influence to increase the connectivity tax to fund a chit chat society.

October 19, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
mymy said...

Don't forget the Obama Administration called the Fort Hood murder's "workplace violence"!!!!!!

Tune in to Fox News this Friday at 10 p.m. ET for a "Special Report" investigation on the Libya consulate attack.

Bret Baier anchors an investigation into the violent fiasco in Libya that ended in the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

The special includes Baier's exclusive interview with the head of the U.S. Embassy's Site Security Team, and the latest developments from Benghazi.

It will also include additional reports from the White House and the campaign trail -- where voters are asking: What did President Obama know, and when did he know it?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/18/special-report-investigates-death-and-deceit-in-benghazi/#ixzz29mtXa77i

October 19, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Your new term neoconservative doesn't' fit me too well. You know from my earlier post you know my position on wars, the Middle East and North Africa.”

Sorry, Harp3339, but I think the closet neo-con description is a good fit. It was your “bully” or “wuss” assessment that gave you away. Granted, you also made references to middle-eastern cow piles and radicals, but you conveniently ignore a point that real libertarians have noted, which is the role that the neo-con’s cocky mano a mano mentality has played in helping to create all of those middle-eastern cow piles and anti-U.S. radicals.

Harp3339 said: “You may not accept it but you know what I think of Obama and you have not heard me brag on or recommend Romney.”

Yes, we’ve all noticed that you dislike President Obama, Harp3339. But we’ve also noticed that you've consistently been there for Romney. In fact, I think you’ve spent more time on this board trying to smooth over Romney’s fibs, faulty math, self-serving tax policies, and knee jerking aptitude than any thing else. Indeed, it’s only recently you’ve started to mention the Libertarian candidate by name. A real Libertarian would have done this much sooner.

October 19, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

yeah, that Romney is a real evil-doer....making all that filthy lucre, being a church man, a family man. A man that helps others. What a loser.

October 19, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Salt Lake Tribune gives the nod to Obama. They loved "Olympics Romney". "Ride with the wind Romney" didn't impress.

In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago.

Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney’s domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.

Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-romney-obama-president.html.csp

October 19, 2012 at 7:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

JD: though "evil" may not be the correct term, Romney has made millions helping businesses close down. Not exactly a job creator, our Mitt.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/14/david-stockman-mitt-romney-and-the-bain-drain.html

October 19, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

RealclearPolitics has Romney with first electoral college lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

October 19, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
miraweb said...

George Mason University is tracking the party affiliations of early voting ballot requests. Florida is evenly split between Democrats and Republicans (40.2, 40.9). Iowa is ahead on Democratic ballot requests (45.6, 30.8) as is North Carolina (41.0, 39.2). Fairly large pools of unaffiliated voters in each group, though.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html

October 19, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Is Obama Buying the Election With His Welfare Explosion?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49481081

October 19, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

No.

October 19, 2012 at 8:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

trying

October 19, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Of all the contrived, made up, bogus, BeeEss "issues" in this campaign, Bindergate is the dumbest topic yet thrown out there. You people buying into this hokum ought to be embarrassed.

October 19, 2012 at 9:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

It's not easy to launch an international joke. Mitt should be very proud.

October 19, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

Even somewhere in the high reaches of Nepal there is someone saying "whole binders full of wimmen!" It took "The Decider" years to get to that level.

It's a real gift.

October 19, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
miraweb said...

It is not quite up with Cheney's shooting an old man with birdshot but pretty good for a mere candidate.

October 19, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Doesn't quite measure up to Ted "the drunk" Kennedy killing poor little Mary Jo, or Hillary shredding documents, or the "untimely" death of Vince Foster but, ok.

October 19, 2012 at 11:12 p.m.
patriot1 said...

I stated in an earlier post the fat lady was clearing her throat. Just wanted to make a clarification for all you libs...I was not refering to Bill Clinton's girlfriend, Monica.

October 19, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

Yes, we’ve all noticed that you dislike President Obama, Harp3339. But we’ve also noticed that you've consistently been there for Romney. In fact, I think you’ve spent more time on this board trying to smooth over Romney’s fibs, faulty math, self-serving tax policies, and knee jerking aptitude than any thing else. Indeed, it’s only recently you’ve started to mention the Libertarian candidate by name. A real Libertarian would have done this much sooner.

You obviously forget my support for Ron Paul who, in my opinion, would be a better choice than either party is offering. Rest assured if not voting was not an option, which of course it is, and there was not a preferred option like Johnson on the ballot I would vote for Romney. The only contribution I attribute to Obama is his replacing Jimmy Carter as the worst president since FDR. Carter did have personal principles, morals and good intentions. Obama knows less about economics and how government can promote growth of wealth creating businesses than a good high school economics student. Did you notice how he only blamed the futures markets for high gas prices one time? Someone educated him quick that those folks were betting on the price direction of oil or whatever commoditity they dealt in and for every dollar one person made another lost a dollar. He thinks the government creates jobs instead of enabling the private sector to do that. I have watched and listened to him a lot to form the opinion I have which I admit was not so critical when he was elected.

Your reference to Romney's fibs, self serving tax policies and math comment are right out of Axelrod's democrat talking points manual. Romney's math is fine, the problem is his fiscal policy proposals still are not enough to prevent what is inevitable in the not too distant future. He insist on continuing to be involved in the middle east and north Africa. He only proposes to tweak the tax system instead of totally overhauling and simplifying it.

October 20, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “You obviously forget my support for Ron Paul who, in my opinion, would be a better choice than either party is offering.”

I think you may be suffering from Romnesia, Harp3339. Granted, you did mention Paul occasionally, but the majority of your posts were focused on issues and talking points peddled by Republicans not Libertarian issues and talking points.

Harp3339 said: “Your reference to Romney's fibs, self serving tax policies and math comment are right out of Axelrod's democrat talking points manual.”

No, Harp3339. My reference to Mitt Romney’s fibs, faulty math, self-serving tax policies, and cocky knee jerking aptitude came from MountainLaurel’s binder. It’s where I keep my personal notes and observations about politicians and political issues.

Harp3339 said: “Obama knows less about economics and how government can promote growth of wealth creating businesses than a good high school economics student.”

I believe it’s you and the Republicans who need to back to school, Harp3339.

Unlike President Obama, most Democrats and a great number of economists, you and your Republican collegues appear to be completely oblivious to the fact that income inequality is one of the greatest economic problems that the U.S. is facing. Indeed, even Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte, understands the dangers associated with this fact and has said: "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing."

But, perhaps, you and your fellow Republicans are content with the Central Intelligence Agency's statistics that show the income distribution in the U.S. is more unequal than in Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, and roughly on par with Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador.

October 20, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
CruckleyCaravan said...

It's amazing how when the polls have President Obama up the right wing nuts are so sure the polls have to be WRONG, yet when Romney is up then truly the race must be OVER. If President Obama should win on Nov. 6th, the misery of wing nuts will be interesting to watch. On the other hand should Romney win, it will simply be a miserable replay of the eight years of George W. Mike - http://www.cruckley.co.uk

June 28, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
BoilerSpare said...

Yeah but the numbers are mixed. Housing seems to be moving into recovery and the stock market has been having a good run. Unemployment has a steady trend downward with a few jumps here and there. The fed is already correcting for Europe's unsteadiness and things seem to be heating up, its gonna reach boiling point soon! Tom - http://www.plumbarena.co.uk

June 28, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
MotorTradeIns said...

Unlike President Obama, most Democrats and a great number of economists, you and your Republican collegues appear to be completely oblivious to the fact that income inequality is one of the greatest economic problems that the U.S. is facing. This is not the type of thing which a democratic society a capitalist democratic society can really accept without addressing. Dan - www.insurance4motortrade.co.uk>

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