published Monday, August 12th, 2013

Gov. Haslam's latest program a smart one and other letters to the editors

Gov. Haslam's latest program a smart one

Times page editor Pam Sohn said Thursday in "Pam's Points" that Gov. Bill Haslam's latest initiative, Healthier Tennessee, is big government that we don't need. And yet Tennessee continues to have one of the least-healthy populations of the 50 states. That means more diabetes, more obesity, more smokers, less healthy eating and less exercising in our state than in most of the other 50 states. I think that is just fine if most Tennesseans want to make poor choices that hurt themselves in the long run as they age. Just don't make me pay for their choices through higher insurance costs to pay for needless diseases, higher taxes for all the disability payments for people getting too unhealthy to work, higher costs for making everything bigger to fit our growing waistlines, etc. It's too bad that we need to have such programs to teach us (and no, it is not policing us, as Pam says) to do sensible and smart choices that help us to lead better, more fun and more productive lives. If I have to pay for big government, let it be for smart programs like this one.

JOHN HUBBARD


It's time for Johnson hoopla to die down

If all those loading their social media pro-and-con comments concerning Drew Johnson's firing would read the paper rather than each other's postings, they would know why Johnson was fired. Read the front-page article in the Aug. 3 issue titled, "Newspaper responds to editor firing coverage." If they still have gripes after reading that article, one may conclude that they either do not subscribe to the paper, cannot read or have no appreciation or respect for legal requirements concerning privacy of personnel records, truth or morality. It is time for this matter to go away. Keeping it alive serves no good purpose. Apparently the national news media has learned that Mr. Johnson took them on a one-day ride to nowhere.

CHARLOTTE PARTON


Three crosses are a reminder of hope

There will be detractors. I, for one, am thankful for the three crosses. It will be a daily reminder to repoint my compass to the cross. In this world of so much junk coming at us, we can get lost in trying to fix it ourselves, trying to direct our own path, to figure out our problems on our own. Imagine one trucker who has a divorce looming, one dad on his way to work with a child with cancer at home, one teen contemplating suicide. They can see those crosses and pull something out of their memory bank and think. "Oh yeah, Jesus. I'm going to check Him out, rely on Him." The three crosses are a bright spot in an increasingly dark world, and that's priceless!

SANDY RICKMAN, Ooltewah


Johnson's views didn't reflect readers' views

Regarding Drew Johnson's recent firing, let me offer an alternative reaction to what several of my fellow conservatives have advanced. Johnson's views do not match those of most of his readership. Most of the readers of the editorial page would call themselves Republicans. Johnson did not. He is libertarian. Most readers would consider themselves Christian or religious, in general. Mr. Johnson was obviously neither Christian nor religious. The only thing Johnson had in common with his readers was his economic conservatism. My biggest problem with Johnson is what later got him fired: a careless disrespect for decency in public discourse. He defended rapper Cee-Lo Green's vulgar language at the family-oriented Riverbend Festival. It was later reported that the only article from Mr. Johnson that was refused publication was one touting the benefits of pornography. Would conservative readers have found it proper for him to tell the president to "shove it" had it been Ronald Reagan? I think not. It is not decent language and should not be used in public. Especially referring to any president of the United States. I, for one, am glad he's gone. Maybe we can get a more mainstream conservative whose views closely reflect those of his readers.

KEVIN H. ROBERTS


It's time to begin with a clean slate at paper

What I find most puzzling about the coverage of Drew Johnson's dismissal is how the remaining editors seem to find it acceptable to print verbatim the very line for which Drew was dismissed. By doing so, they take ownership of the same indiscretion and ought to fire themselves. Maybe it's time to start with a clean slate after all! Of course this phenomenon is not unique to the current situation but shows up in most coverage of inappropriate comments by anyone in the public eye. Instead of easing an offense by critiquing the offender and putting it behind, journalists seem to think they have a free pass to repeat a slur over and again as if it had lost its potency. How foolish!

PAUL SNYDER

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You Sandy Rickman! .......1 Corinthians 1:18

"For the preaching of The Cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are Saved it is the Power of God."

Philippians 3:18

"(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:"

Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The Lord God of Hosts shed His life's blood for You and me. Now, a 'SILENT SERMON' reaching a possible 75,000 (plus) souls daily who travel I-75. And that is only the number for those who travel I-75 daily, tens of thousands of others will also receive His Silent Sermon.

All of Christianity is born from what happened on Calvary's Cross. Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified...for You and me.

Ken ORR

August 12, 2013 at 4:26 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Three Crosses on Standifer Gap Road: 'The Silent Sermon'.

Please be willing to 'look' at it this way:

Numbers 21:7-9 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

The serpent represented Jesus Christ who became sin for us.

So, You see the power of only being obedient to 'look upon' something holy. 'A painting is worth a thousand words.' The Silent Sermon on Standifer Gap Road.

Jesus told doubting Apostle Thomas to 'only behold' (look at) My hands.

John 20:27

Then saith He {Jesus} to Thomas, "Reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing."

Ken ORR

August 12, 2013 at 4:59 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

'Regarding Jesus being represented by the serpent on the pole.'

2 Corinthians 5:21

"For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

August 12, 2013 at 5:10 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If Christians want to spend $700k for an obscenely large cross, that's their right, but I no longer want to hear that conservative Christians in Chattanooga care about the poor, the homeless or the hungry. Want to see a cross when you drive? Hang one from your rear view mirror.

August 12, 2013 at 7:04 a.m.
Plato said...

My biggest complaint about this is my wider complaint with churches in general, and that is their tax free status. The larger ones are huge revenue generating machines that often spend their money on frivolous stuff that benefits their own comfort and ego - not the poor or needy like their faith commands. Recreational facilities, parks and even businesses are some examples, but this is one of the most egregious I can think of.

Why should the American tax payer support this type of nonsense and what type of fool would want their hard-earned money to be used so irresponsibly?

August 12, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

For those who for their own reasons missed the actual Letter To The Editor, please 'Behold':

.......................'Three crosses are a reminder of hope'

"There will be detractors. I, for one, am thankful for the three crosses. It will be a daily reminder to re-point my compass to the cross. In this world of so much junk coming at us, we can get lost in trying to fix it ourselves, trying to direct our own path, to figure out our problems on our own. Imagine one trucker who has a divorce looming, one dad on his way to work with a child with cancer at home, one teen contemplating suicide. They can see those crosses and pull something out of their memory bank and think. "Oh yeah, Jesus. I'm going to check Him out, rely on Him." The three crosses are a bright spot in an increasingly dark world, and that's priceless!"

Credit: Sandy Rickman

August 12, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu,

With just the 75,000 daily possible beholders of the Cross (some vehicles will, no doubt have two or more beholders); If only 1% (750) (utilizing only the minimal 1 person per vehicle) of the beholders become convicted by the Holy Spirt, then:

These individuals who did not previously give to charities will begin giving. The average wage = $20.00 hr. = $40,000 yrly.=$3,000 plus monthly. The tithe from $3,000 = $300.00 per month.

750 individuals giving $300.00 per month = $22,500 per month collectively. That's $270,000.00 in just one year! In less than three years just one factor, the monetary investment would be surpassed and recouped.

...................................Now a few 'minor' add-ons:

  1. They stop drug and alcohol (drug) abuse.
  2. They cancel their divorce plans.
  3. They begin living a nutritiously/exercise driven healthy lifestyle.
  4. They are much better, more productive employees.
  5. They are no longer prone to most every diagnosis in the DSM Manual of The American Psychiatric Association. (Stress-less).
  6. They begin treating all fellow humans with honor, dignity, respect, love.
  7. They shun hell, fire, and brimstone as their eternal destiny and instead gain Heaven, eternal joy and peace and life with their Creator, Who is Love, Jesus Christ, God The Father, God The Son, and God, The Holy Spirit. This Our Holy Triune God! The Lord God of Hosts, The Great 'I Am'!

Ken ORR

August 12, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Charity could be measured as a per cent of GDP a Christian country gives to the World Bank. It's all very well and good to give a whopping 3 per cent to charity, but industrialized countries have an infrastructure where taxes contribute to looking after the poor. Christianity is the largest religion in the world at 33.7 per cent of the population and Islam second with 27 per cent. So the largest would of course give the most.

Credit: Moth (Screen Name).

August 12, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

They stop drug and alcohol (drug) abuse. They cancel their divorce plans. They begin living a nutritiously/exercise driven healthy lifestyle. They are much better, more productive employees. They are no longer prone to most every diagnosis in the DSM Manual of The American Psychiatric Association. (Stress-less). They begin treating all fellow humans with honor, dignity, respect, love.

I do all of these, and give to charity, and volunteer, all without your sky fairy and cross. Sorry.

August 12, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
jjmez said...

Drugs, alcohol abuse, fornication, adultery, poor eating habits, mental illnesses, anti-social behavior, their children are the most prone to dabble in Satanism, intolerance, bigotry___the list goes on and on, Orr. Those things are a staple in most every church I've ever been. In fact, some of the most intolerant and judgmental people I've ever met regularly attend church. I live in a community where there's a church on just about every corner and a few side streets, yet the community is full of bigotry and intolerance, although on the surface they do god's work, behind the scenes they're constantly trying to run individuals from the community they've decided aren't of their class, race, or economic standing. But they'll swear up and down they're good-Christians.

August 12, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Instead of three giant crosses a more accurate sculpture would have giant Bible-Thumpers using those giant crosses to beat non-believers. A tape recording screaming,"The Power of Christ Compels You to Do as We Say or we'll kill you in the name of our loving and compassionate Jehovah and Jesus."

I'm waiting for the massive sculpture of Lot having sex with his daughters, the slaughter of innocent children, and Mary explaining to Joseph that she's pregnant with God's love child. "Hey Joseph, you'll never guess who I ran into behind the olive press. And I'm having His baby. Remember Joseph, it's a miracle!"

August 12, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It will be a fine day when folks realize that honesty, ethics, and morality predate Christianity, or any religion, and is a human trait. Actions speak louder than pious proclamations and fear of a hell.

August 12, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

There 'is no' predating Genesis 1-3... "In the beginning God (Jesus Christ) created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ..."

August 12, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, Christianity is less than 2000 years old. Judaism is about 6000 years old. People have existed for thousands of years before that. Religions were mostly pagan-style polytheism and animism before that. Humanity did not begin with Genesis.

August 12, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr's scientific ignorance is the reason that creationism should never be taught as science. Creationism from the Bible belongs in the category as all other creation myths.

By the way Orr, where's those science credentials you promised 18 months ago? You said you had them - but can you produce them? Or just another one of the many lies for Jesus that you've told?

August 12, 2013 at 10:22 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Just when you think Christian fundamentalism can't get any wackier, this comes up.

"Spanking for Jesus: Inside the Unholy World of 'Christian Domestic Discipline'"

http://tinyurl.com/lmmpqcx

Instead of three crosses maybe a wooden spoon, a hair brush, and a Cat-of-Nine-Tails? Nothing says loving like Spanking for Jesus.

August 12, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu

All interpretations/misinterpretations of any known religion came about as a result of visitations/epiphanies of Jesus Christ. Even those (I don't)who believe in a Young Earth must acknowledge that thousands of years gives sufficient time for humans to develop various theories about Jesus. Most humans probably have 'ulterior motives' for their misinterpretations. From Hinduism to one of the newest (modern day) religions, Islam...all have known of Jesus Christ. As He said in Revelation 1:8

"I am Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and The Ending, saith the Lord, Which Is, and Which Was, and Which Is to come, The Almighty."

August 13, 2013 at 3:03 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hi daytonsdarwin

Someway You didn't see the several times I have published those credentials. The first publication came very close on the heels of when I first stated I have those credentials. I truly believe they outweigh many Phd, or beyond designations. Just last week I published on this site that I have studied quantum physics and quantum mechanics for more years than the average life lived by half the population of this world. I spoke about the fact that there exist so many cogent arguments for theories of these fields that it too often just comes down to 'faith' in this argument, or that argument. When this occurs it requires informed 'intuition' which can only come about by years of study/analysis of the arguments. For example; theories have a lot of evidence backing them up [they 'are' theories, though]. One of my favorites is put in the form of a question: "Do You have faith in evolutionary theory, or faith in The Creator God of The Holy Bible, Jesus Christ?".

August 13, 2013 at 3:14 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, the Jews have been around for thousands of years before Jesus. So I guess you are saying that Judaism isn't a religion? I'm sure the world's Jews might disagree.

Your study of quantum mechanics doesn't make you any more knowledgeable of the age of the earth and of the diversity of life on that earth. I seriously doubt your "education" was valid-you don't even use the correct terminology. Reading a few popular books doesn't really do it, and you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of basic science.

So what are those credentials anyway? Where did you do your research, and under whose guidance? Who funded it? Where are you published? How often is your work cited by others in the field of quantum mechanics or cosmology?

August 13, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Once again, Orr has lied. Credentials as you claimed and reading a book on Creationism are not the same.

Then again, Orr, you've never been a proponent of the truth, just imaginary friends and your own brand of Christian lunacy.

Every time you post another wavering fundamentalist Bible Thumper comes out of the darkness to the light of science and reason, away from your religious gibberish.

August 13, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

That is just the point, my Friends! In essence, Judaism 'was' Christianity before the birth of Jesus Christ on earth, and, 'after' the birth of Christ. How can Judaism exist without Jesus Christ (without YHWH) who, as the Book of Saint John says:

John 1...Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)... 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and The Life was the Light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not...9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh***, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

"And The Word was made flesh"

August 14, 2013 at 1 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

I have honored You by telling You the truth. I have told You the truth. I have not lied. Any of the great Physicists, Medical Doctors, Lawyers, Poet Laureates, Scientists of various persuasions, Musicians, Mechanics, etc. would be just as knowledgeable and talented, even without a degree designation after their names.

daytonsdarwin,

I wish for You goodness, blessing, peace.

Ken ORR

August 14, 2013 at 1:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, so you don't mind seeing a physician without a degree because he is "talented"? Seems pointless to pay $80k/year for med school then. One can learn medicine on one's own, using just talent. Gotcha.

August 14, 2013 at 7:04 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, you've dishonored yourself by your continued lies. Still, you've never provided the scientific credentials that you stated you posess.

Your convoluted reasoning is as laughable as your non-existent credentials and theological prowess.

August 14, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The reason the greatest, wealthiest, most powerful kingdom on earth invited Red Adair to control and extinguish the oil well fires in Kuwait and elsewhere is because 'great' calls to 'great'. I stated above 'the great' Medical Doctors. The operational word being 'great'. I would not use a practicing Physician if I didn't have the assurance that he/she was great. How many artist painter's or musician's famous works would You reject because they did not possess a degree designation?

Adair gained global attention in 1962, when he tackled a fire at the Gassi Touil gas field in the Algerian Sahara nicknamed the Devil's Cigarette Lighter, a 450 foot (140 m) pillar of flame that burned from 12:00 PM November 13, 1961 to 9:30 AM on April 28, 1962.

At age 75, Adair took part in extinguishing the oil well fires in Kuwait set by retreating Iraqi troops after the Gulf War in 1991...credit: Wikipedia

Post Script: Red Adair had no degree designation after his name. Neither did most of the Firefighters of Nine Eleven.

Just a few thoughts +(:>&=:

Ken ORR

August 14, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Adair developed a lot of the techniques for putting out well fires; since wells were a 20th century development, that isn't surprising. Artists in general create from there own talent. But medicine is entirely different. Without full knowledge of physiology, anatomy, surgery, pharmacology and other areas (scientific areas) gleaned from hundreds of years and hundreds of thousands of doctors treating millions of patients, a doctor would be ill equipped to understand and treat disease and injury. Where do you learn that? In medical school and in residency. You know, the things that earn you the DEGREE, Ken. You know so little about science; my guess is that you don't know mathematics to the level necessary to understand basic quantum mechanics, much less any Chemistry or Newtonian Physics to put quantum mechanics in perspective of any kind.

August 14, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
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