published Wednesday, June 5th, 2013

'Tax classifications are not all the same' and more letters to the editors

Tax classifications are not all the same

A May 21 article completely ignored a significant difference between the Chattanooga Organized for Action and the Chattanooga tea party. The tea party was asking for a 501(c)4 classification, which means that the organization does not pay taxes on donations, however the donations are not tax-deductible to the donor.

The Chattanooga Organized for Action application was for a 501(c)(3), in which the donations are tax-deductible for the donor. This is a significant difference. The Democrats seem to ignore this difference which, traditionally, was reserved for churches and legitimate charities.

Of course the 501(c)(3) should be more scrutinized, not less. So much for nonbiased news.

M.T. SCHMOLL, Signal Mountain

Atheists' book no comparison to Bible

It was amusing to me that the small group of atheists wanted equal time with the Bible in the cabins in Georgia. The Bible is a book of poetry, history, inspiration and wisdom, which is connected to the Christian religion. The book by atheists is simply a book of opinion written by someone who has no beliefs. There is no comparison.

I believe atheists who have to push their opinion on everyone are very insecure in their disbelief. Insecure people always have to be the center of attention and usually try to put other people down. If they were secure in their disbeliefs it wouldn't matter if there was a Bible in the cabins.

Atheists can sell their book in bookstores, but don't try to push your opinion onto others just because a Bible is placed in a cabin.

HAZEL D. STEEL, Cleveland, Tenn.

Americans should rethink Mexican travel

After reading about that poor lady who was arrested in Mexico, ("American woman's jailing in Mexico highlights tourist risks"), I urge all Americans not to go there. I've been there, but there is nothing that would get me to go again.

If they would arrest that lady, what would they do to an old lady like me? I don't want to find out!


Sequoyah Caverns' closing is unfortunate

How sad that Sequoyah Caverns is closing. When we were there, two school buses of kids were leaving after getting an education they will never forget.

How sad that other kids won't have that trip in their future. Our guide was terrific. She made our tour personal and special -- something you don't get at larger attractions.

If you haven't been there it's well worth the short trip. Hurry up. It's your last chance.


IRS's actions are corrupt and alarming

Anyone who condones the IRS targeting of conservative groups is unpatriotic and ignorant of the fundamental laws and principles upon which our government is based.

The fact that more right-, not left-leaning groups, were the targets of the IRS's troubling behavior should not be the issue. Instead, the focus and concern should be placed on the fact that the most powerful agency in our government, one that has no real accountability, and that, by definition, should be nonpartisan, has become corrupt.

Anyone who applaudes the agency's conduct simply because conservative groups were targeted is disgusting and does not deserve the opportunities and benefits that this country provides.


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anniebelle said...

Bartmess, hate to get math into this equation, but there were 300 groups targeted, 75 of which were right-wing political groups. Can you do the math? None of which were rejected. Only one group was denied this status and it was a left-wing organization.

June 5, 2013 at 6:24 a.m.

Psalm 14:1

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works..."

June 5, 2013 at 6:35 a.m.
LibDem said...

"Insecure people always have to be the center of attention..." like praying at Commission meetings.

June 5, 2013 at 7:11 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Hazel Steel wrote: "It was amusing to me that the small group of atheists wanted equal time with the Bible in the cabins in Georgia."

Many Christians find the Bible of great use in hotel/motel rooms. It's makes a dandy coaster for your Jack and Coke. The thin, crisp pages make emergency rolling papers for marijuana, and can be rolled into a thin straw for snorting cocaine and meth.

If Christians forgot their Harry Potter book, the Bible contains interesting stories about giants, witches, wizards, unicorns, and the walking dead.

If the Christian woman forgot their "Fifty Shads of Grey" they can find fornication, gang-rape, threesomes, incest, S&M, bondage, and mutilation.

The heft is great for killing roaches, bedbugs, centipedes, and throwing at mice. Works reasonably well for leveling tables and beds if you open it up between the Old and New Testament.

And finally, the Bible is Jimmy Swaggert's favorite place to hide his money before paying hookers.

Nothing like a good book of fiction while staying in a Georgia cabin. Unfortunately, the Bible is neither good nor well-written.

June 5, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Hey Hazel in Cleveland! Just in case you want to read something good, here's my recommendations that don't involve superstitions, creationism, and stories about God the Bogyman.

"God is Not Great" Christopher Hitchens

"The Demon-Haunted World" Carl Sagan

"Ingersoll's Greatest Lectures" Robert Ingersoll

"Letters from the Earth" Mark Twain

And one of my favorites, "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?" by George Carlin.

Here's to your enlightenment and renunciation of that old-time nonsense.

In other news, with the Louisiana's Legislature stupidity in not repealing Intelligent Design and Creationism being taught as science, Tennessee's Legislature struggles from the bottom to 49th place. Praise Jebus for Louisiana!

June 5, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
Facts said...

Anger, hate.

June 5, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Facts, don't hold anger and hate in your heart, and don't misrepresent yourself in your profile name.

I'm sure that's in the good book somewhere too..

June 5, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.

1 Corinthians 1:27

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty..."

June 5, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty..."

"The foolish have chosen an invisible god to stunt reason and humanity; and the foolish hath chosen mental slavery and the weakness of religious fundamentalism to confound themselves which is pitiful were it not so dangerous to human progress."

1 Fallopians 3:16

June 5, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
Leaf said...

I don't like fanatics. Religious or otherwise.

June 5, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
Livn4life said...

There we go again, being reminded of how the Unbelievers have to not only defend themselves but point out how utterly ridiculous anyone might be who would love to have the possibility than when this life is completed and you go to the grave, there might just be more. As if that is evil, come on now. Then, the Unbelievers, who as was pointed out should be secure in their Unbelief, stage attacks on ones who just want to have a faith, proclaim a faith, and offer it to any others who are not interested. Now personally, I am not interested in the perspective of Unbelief, not at all. But I will not go on tirade after tirade belittling those who choose to live their lives, suffer and then plan to just die and go back to the ground. As for Roger Bartmess' letter, you are right on. As for the Annibelleache response, obviously you just don't get the danger of the word IRS and TARGET. It would be just as bad for the same type action to be taken and proven(not some revision of history)if leftist organizations were TARGETED. It seems in the current political climate, certain limits on liberties of certain people is okay. The IRS SHOULD exist to gather taxes and nothing else. Who the organizations and individuals support politically is none of the IRS' business period. I'll bet the ones acting as if this is no big deal would cry TO THE SUPREME COURT if their pet groups were being TARGETED.

June 5, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
rumrunr said...

ms. steel... the only thing that infuses the bible with special power is your belief in it. nothing more nothing less. be secure in it if you will but don't force it upon others.

June 5, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Daytonsdarwin, your 7:21 post made me laugh out loud. Funny stuff.

Facts is obviously basking in the afterglow of his love session with Robin Smith's fluff piece from two days ago on the power of positive thinking. Remember ya' and think positive thoughts while corporate America and the super rich are sticking it up your a#s. Let's hear that early morning Walmart cheer from all you smiley-faced $8/hr. employees. Remember, every dollar you make is making Mike Duke (Walmart CEO) $1,034. And if you work hard, smile, and think positive thoughts you too might become a greedy bastard one day and screw your workforce just like you're getting screwed now. So smile, ya'll!

L4L, when groups pass themselves off as "social welfare" organizations and claim to exist for other than political reasons, and when that group known as the Tea Party is clearly and without question a political organization first and foremost, then it deserves close scrutiny. When you paint a bull's eye on yourself you are going to be TARGETED. The IRS was actually just doing its job and you wingnuts keep whining about what a "rogue" organization it is. It's not often that anyone will hear me speak favorably of the IRS but as usual you knee jerk reactionaries are making a mountain out of a mole hill. For the FACTS of the matter refer to anniebelle's post above.

June 5, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
acerigger said...

daytonsdarwin ,in case you're not already aware of this, you may find this link very interesting.

June 5, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
anniebelle said...

I have yet to meet a right-winger that was interested in the truth. They use their juvenile, 3rd grade logic to call those that present facts, silly, stupid names. Lyin4Life, you lost all credibility on this board years ago. See if you can digest facts instead of the constant hate talk you apparently inhale everyday.

June 5, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Acerigger, Interesting that you bring that up. I watched that a couple of days ago. It's fascinating to watch the hosts demolish the Christian fundamentalists who stutter, stammer, and fall back on the trite, "God is great!" mantra.

Here's where Christopher Hitchens explains precisely the problem of faith in the supernatural deities of the Bible.

Believers may not want to watch to prevent their toes from curling, their bushes being burned, and their faith-healing twitching and speaking in tongues going into overdrive.

June 5, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Here's a story about a proposed Noah's Ark Park in Kentucky. One of the highlights is the "Ten Plagues" rides. Note that the park owners are asking for taxpayer money to build this religious propaganda nonsense.

"Daddy, Daddy, I want to ride in the river of blood and can I please have some boils before Johnnie is killed as the firstborn?"

Nearby is the Creation Museum where Ken Hamm, of Answers in Genesis, attempts to teach school kids that the earth is 6,000 years-old and the Grand Canyon is the result of the Biblical Flood.

These two Christian fundamentalist ideas are promoted by the wackos attempting to introduce Intelligent Design and Creationism into public schools as science and history.

Christian Creationists —nature's way of saying, "WTF?"

June 5, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
klifnotes said...

M. T. Schmoll should read this piece:

IRS Should Outlaw All “Social Welfare” Political Fronts -- Left and Right

Lately, a mess of right-wing tea party groups have been wailing nonstop that they have been targeted, harassed and denied their civic rights by partisan, out-of-control, Obamanistic IRS thugs (no adjective too extreme when assailing Obama or the IRS). The groups certainly are right that it's abhorrent for a powerful agency to run a repressive witch hunt against any group of citizens just because of their political views. After all, liberals have frequently felt the lash of such official repression by assorted McCarthyite-Nixonite-Cheneyite forces over the years, and it must be condemned, no matter who the victims.

In this case, however, the right-wing groups were not targeted by government snoops and political operatives, but tagged by their own applications to be designated by the IRS as 501(c)(4) "social welfare" groups. This privileged status would allow them to take unlimited bags of corporate cash without ever revealing to voters the names of the corporations putting up the money. The caveat is that 501(c)(4)s are supposed to do actual social welfare work and cannot be attached to any candidate or party, nor can politics be their primary purpose.

It was these groups' stupidity and audacity that prompted the IRS inquiries, and their current hissy fit about the agency is really just a PR effort to let them continue their "social welfare" fraud.

Actually, it was a combination their own stupidity, audacity, greed and the desire to get the president by any means necessary.

June 5, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.

What does the unbeliever do with this fact?

The chances of all Biblical prophecies that have come true is one-in-10 to the 20th power. That is 10 with twenty zeros behind it (10,00000000000000000000). Unbelievers, that takes some kind of unscientific faith 'NOT' to believe.

Why is it that other 'Holy Books' Do Not Include Prophecies?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

June 6, 2013 at 1:20 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Like most other Creationists, Intelligent Design proselytizers, and Bible literalists, Orr confuses faith for facts, opinion for probability, and delusion for evidence.

Another example of why Creationism and Intelligent Design belongs in the classroom as examples of supernatural fallacies but not taught as science and history.

Orr has lied on this forum so many times about his false credentials and other things, he should be considered a tired old man, ranting his religious tomfoolery, as the spittle flies and his jaundiced eyes roll back in his head.

Imagine an old Yugo automobile; it wasn't much when it was new and with age it's ceased to run at all. It now sits on blocks in a backyard where the only operating part is its horn. The crazies that toot the horn only draw attention to their lack of good sense. The battery is running out of juice. The tinny tweet declines with time until a mouse fart in a whirlwind has greater volume.

That is Orr.

June 6, 2013 at 7:15 a.m.

Evolution has never been proven...and, in fact, cannot be proven. The amount of faith it takes to believe in evolutionary theory causes Christian faith to look like a lepton.

Original statement by: Ken ORR Please give credit when quoting. Thank You!

Another quote inspired by the Holy Spirit: Acts 17:28

"For in Him we live, and move, and have our being..."

June 7, 2013 at 12:01 a.m.

Colossians 1:17

"And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist."

Yes, by Jesus Christ 'All Things Consist'.

The English Standard Translation of this is:

"And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."



June 7, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Evolution can and has been proven over and over again. So much, in fact, that it is a scientific theory.

It takes no faith to accept facts. Religion requires faith. Science, specifically evolution, requires no such faith when the overwhelming evidence and proof is viewed objectively. Evolution is fact and carries all the evidence and proof it needs to stand alone. Religion and creationism is nothing more than myth and one must have faith to believe it because there is not one shred of evidence to prove it.

Everything you type is steeped in ignorance, Ken Orr. You are a fool in every sense of the word.

June 7, 2013 at 2:37 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"Evolution has never been proven...and, in fact, cannot be proven. The amount of faith it takes to believe in evolutionary theory causes Christian faith to look like a lepton."

Poor Ken Orr, his daily delusional devotional has him gasping for breath again. How about posting your science credentials as you said you would months ago?

Another lie from Christendom's perpetual liar, Ken Orr. What church do you attend Orr? Do they know how you represent them? That your prevarications have become legend around here? Are there any sane people you can turn to for help? Are you still making jokes about dying people with AIDS? Are you still lying about your personal history? Will you be at RiverBend toting a fiberglass cross again this year? How do you handle the other pretend Jesus characters toting their crosses? Is there a Jesus pretenders group with union dues, benefits (discount for medical treatment for self-inflicted wounds in feet, wrists, and side) and holiday overtime (still trying to fit into a manger at Christmas)?

Is it still necessary for you to sneak down late at night to post since your wife has forbidden you to do so from the embarrassment you've caused?

Please say you're just an act, that you're not as ignorant and delusional as you appear.

Remember Ken Orr — there's psychological help for your Christ complex. However, it's necessary to admit you have a problem beside your deficiencies in science, history, and ability to distinguish reality from fantasy. Then again, you remain the best example of why Creationism and Intelligent Design shouldn't be taught in school. My kids get a kick out of your rantings and wish you were on Sunday morning TV between the faith-healers begging for money and the mental midgets twitching on the floor speaking in tongues.

We're still waiting to see an amputee be healed. Doesn't God love amputees?

June 7, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.
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