published Thursday, June 6th, 2013

The Wink

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Ouch!!

This one will surely bring a few heated comments.

June 6, 2013 at 12:03 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Funniest ever? How about Henry Payne's from the '80s "The dashing new Soviet jockey, Gorbachev, and his sleek thoroughbred?"--the "thoroughbred" being a stationary dinosaur, looking puzzled and thinking "Vroom vroom?"

Bigot? "A person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"--Webster online. How's the view from the sewer, Mr Bennett? nooga? alprova? What would it take to convince you that liberalism is wrong, or even that some liberals have been seriously wrong about some important things? (Some Muslims, even?) The Bible does not whitewash its heroes.

June 6, 2013 at 1:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Thank God for the Brits. Our kneed padded press has been neutered.

June 6, 2013 at 1:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Andrew, you're going to have to be more specific than to lump all liberalism into one neat box.

What parts of liberalism do you feel is wrong? What "important things" have liberals been "seriously" wrong about?

Are you of the opinion that all liberals believe all of the same things? That's rather presumptuous, don't you think?

That would be like me condemning all of Christianity or conservatives due to the actions and beliefs of a few.

I know many fine people who are decent people in all other respects, but they are blatant and unapologetic bigots. They express their distaste for those who are unlike themselves in many respects, but only do so when they feel they are in the company of people who agree with them.

Bigotry in this nation has come a long way, but it still has a long way to go.

These people I refer to will die bigots and with each successive generation, my hope is that one day, bigotry will die and be buried with them.

June 6, 2013 at 1:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

By your definition, Mr. Lohr, surely Clay Bennett is a bigot, no?

June 6, 2013 at 2:29 a.m.
jesse said...

Every once in a while Andrew comes up w/a nugget!

His take on Bennetts bigotry toward right leaning folks is spot on!

June 6, 2013 at 4:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said..

you're going to have to be more specific than to lump all liberalism into one neat box.

alprova, Is that not true with any label people insist on assigning others? It seems people conclude if you are not a liberal you have to be a conservative. If not a conservative you have to be a liberal. Once labeled you are viewed as supporting anything leaders of that group promotes. Failing to fit neatly under a label may result in your being ostracized.

I don't like Obama, I think he is incompetent. Does that mean I am a republican? I would prefer him over McCain? Does that make me a democrat? Looking at Biden makes me hope nothing disabling happens to Obama, I prefer he finish his term. Does that make me a democrat or republican?

The current behavior and incompetence displayed by both parties sure contributes to the strengthening of a third party.

Viewing someone else as a bigot is often derived from the bigotry of the person deciding the other person is a bigot. I wonder alprova if your labeling those that don't see the world as you do or if they fail to behave in the manner you think appropriate makes you a bigot?

June 6, 2013 at 5:08 a.m.
jesse said...

WOW Fairmon! Great post! You make me wish i was more articulate!

It's way too EASY to hang these labels on folks !

Ie: racist, bigot,knuckle dragger or whatever!

June 6, 2013 at 5:19 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

big·ot

noun

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion: e.g. Clay Bennett, alprova, easy123, nooga said...

June 6, 2013 at 7:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

Is Obama a bigot? He does not accept that some countries cannot function with a democracy. He insist those countries in which we are actively at war should form a democracy and behave more like we do. He will not accept that they have and prefer to look to a king (dictator) for leadership as done throughout their history.

Is Obama a bigot when he views the wealthy or successful as a group that is not to be trusted and from which more should be confiscated for use by government? Is he a bigot when he does not trust the wealthy with incentives to do right by those less fortunate and in need?

June 6, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova, Is that not true with any label people insist on assigning others? It seems people conclude if you are not a liberal you have to be a conservative. If not a conservative you have to be a liberal."

Have I ever referred to you as a conservative? I know you are not liberal, but I have never attempted to define you at all.

"Once labeled you are viewed as supporting anything leaders of that group promotes. Failing to fit neatly under a label may result in your being ostracized."

That is true. I have voted for two Democrats for one elected office and for Republicans in every other office, yet I am accused of being a Democrat by my Republican friends. I am even introduced as such to strangers. 50 votes for Republicans is meaningless because I voted for a Democrat twice for President.

"I don't like Obama, I think he is incompetent. Does that mean I am a republican? I would prefer him over McCain? Does that make me a democrat? Looking at Biden makes me hope nothing disabling happens to Obama, I prefer he finish his term. Does that make me a democrat or republican?"

Among us regulars, we know who roots for Republicans, who roots for Democrats, and who stays somewhere in between.

"The current behavior and incompetence displayed by both parties sure contributes to the strengthening of a third party."

A third party will only dilute the voting power of the people. Instead of two sides, we will then have a three-way melee on everything. We damn near have that now, with those considered to be Tea-Partiers.

"Viewing someone else as a bigot is often derived from the bigotry of the person deciding the other person is a bigot. I wonder alprova if your labeling those that don't see the world as you do or if they fail to behave in the manner you think appropriate makes you a bigot?"

I am not a racial or ethnic bigot. However, I am quite bigoted in my distaste for National Republicans and their bigotry. I am bigoted in my views with people who refuse to stick to the facts when it comes to our current President. I am bigoted when it comes to intentional dishonesty being ladled by those, even when the facts have been introduced numerous times.

June 6, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
Maximus said...

Switzerland was amazing! Clay has maintained his sinful ways while I was visiting with my bankers! Shouldn't the caption be, HOW OBAMA WINKS AT 50% OF AMERICANS! A lot happened while I was out of the country. Obama, what an angry, vindictive, little Marxist prick, appointing lying drone, married to former Obama czar and uber leftist, Cass Sunstein, by the way, Susan Rice, as NSA. I don't know about you, but I feel way less secure already. And I found out when I got back, Mr. Schulman, the IRS Director egg roller that visited the White House over 157 times over the last two years is married to.......wait for it......an Occupy Wallstreet activist. Finally, is Obamer AG Eric Holder in a "holding pattern" or "death spiral"? I think Eric is in the toilet quite frankly. Have a fantastic day of life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Emphasis on pursuit of happiness Obama sure can't provide it! Fuuuuuuunny! :} $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

June 6, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

Bigot, prejudice, biased tend to be used interchangeably in many discussions.

June 6, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
dude_abides said...

A google image search of "tea party flag" brings up 18 confederate flags. When you open the bigot spigot, what flows out? Tea!

Awesome how maximus shows back up right on time, when the cartoon depicts a toilet! Tell us how you own half of Switzerland now, tea-potty mouth.

June 6, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
conservative said...

Liberals own the word. Most of them who comment here are intolerant of other views to the extreme and habitually use abuse, vulgar language simply because they can't defend their beliefs. Notice that Liberals often resort to personal attacks, name calling or some put down when they lose the argument.

Most Liberals I have encountered are totally oblivious to the fact that this juvenile tactic is fruitless against a Conservative.

June 6, 2013 at 7:48 a.m.
Maximus said...

Confederate Battle Flag represents bigots? I thought it represented those that disagreed with big government or those that wanted to protect their homes. Hmmm. Remember, some confederates were black and most Rebel soldiers never owned slaves. A LOT of Yankees owned slaves also. And old, General Sherman mistreated blacks on his march to the sea. Just sayin!

June 6, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Is Obama a bigot? He does not accept that some countries cannot function with a democracy. He insist those countries in which we are actively at war should form a democracy and behave more like we do."

Sir, George Walker Bush is the man who led any charge to spread Democracy into the Middle East and I remind you, he is the one who led us into war in the Middle East. He spoke of it many times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3248119.stm

"He will not accept that they have and prefer to look to a king (dictator) for leadership as done throughout their history."

I think you're dead wrong about that. Obama speaks often about our country being a Democracy, but I have never heard him expressing any belief that the United States should be directly involved in spreading Democracy to other nations.

He has received much criticism for not intervening in Syria. He did briefly intervene in Libya, and remember the crap he got for that? The man cannot win.

"Is Obama a bigot when he views the wealthy or successful as a group that is not to be trusted and from which more should be confiscated for use by government?"

No more so than leaders of the past who did the same thing.

"Is he a bigot when he does not trust the wealthy with incentives to do right by those less fortunate and in need?"

I have a good answer for that one. The TFP had an article just yesterday, citing the fact that the Salvation Army has not received but three small donations for the victims of the Patten Towers fire.

I understand why this is not a national event, but most of Chattanooga is aware that these people are going to be on their own for weeks. Most of them are disabled due to health issues. Most live on less than $200 a week. Most have nowhere to go.

Despite appeals by the Red Cross, The Salvation Army, and the Mayor, people just don't seem to care anymore about the poor anymore.

June 6, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I am not a racial or ethnic bigot. However, I am quite bigoted in my distaste for National Republicans and their bigotry.

I see, you are only a conditional bigot? Or, you are a bigot regardless of ethnicity if you don't agree with their ideology?

Am I a bigot for objecting to illegal immigrants with no social security number getting an ITEN number from the IRS and receiving over $4 billion dollars more than paid in taxes in refunds? Am I a bigot for objecting to their being allowed to claim dependents not in the U.S. therefore abusing the earned income credit welfare loop hole? Am I a bigot for saying the whole tax system is a wreck that no one in the administration or congress is willing to repair. If any of these make me a bigot then I am a bigot and proud of it.

June 6, 2013 at 8 a.m.
jesse said...

Most folks w/strong opinions LEAP at the chance to hang degrading labels on people w/ differing views or opinions regardless of the subject! Politics,religion or which fast food imporium has the best biscuts!

I doudt there is a single person on this planet that doesn't ,in some way ,fit the definitinon of bigot!

June 6, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.
degage said...

Jesse, You are probably right. Most won't admit it, but it is true.

June 6, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I see, you are only a conditional bigot? Or, you are a bigot regardless of ethnicity if you don't agree with their ideology?"

Everyone is a conditional bigot, if the literal definition is applied across the board. You've expressed bigoted comments many times about taxation. You've expressed bigoted comments about sterilization of women who seek an abortion.

"Am I a bigot for objecting to illegal immigrants with no social security number getting an ITEN number from the IRS and receiving over $4 billion dollars more than paid in taxes in refunds?"

I'm going to have to see evidence of that. I find it amazing that most American's tax returns are totally private and not subject to public scrutiny, but you accept that the details of those of alleged illegal immigrants with TIN numbers are totally open to perusal?

A TIN Number is no indication that a return filed is that of an illegal immigrant. I've had a TIN number for decades and have filed aspects of my yearly returns using it.

"Am I a bigot for objecting to their being allowed to claim dependents not in the U.S. therefore abusing the earned income credit welfare loop hole?"

Once again, proof?

"Am I a bigot for saying the whole tax system is a wreck that no one in the administration or congress is willing to repair. If any of these make me a bigot then I am a bigot and proud of it."

You might be bigoted if you believe, as you just expressed, that the bulk of your objections is based on an alleged, albeit theoretical tactic used by Hispanic illegal immigrants to obtain refunds over and above that they pay in taxes.

I don't believe it is happening they way you laid it out. Why?

Because it is patently illegal to claim the earned income credit using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.

June 6, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
degage said...

Al, When I was working in human resources a young Mexican boy changed his dependents to 5, knowing he was only 19 and unmarried, I ask him how he could claim 5 and he replied " my parents and brothers in Mexico." I explained to him he would not be able to claim them on his tax return and he replied, " not going to file". Red flags go up when they do this and the company eventually had to check the status of some of their employees and they were terminated.

June 6, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Tooney's psychotic hyper-left slant qualifies him as a biogot under the definition. Draw on Clay Bignet.

June 6, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
alprova said...

The Additional Child Credit and the Earned Income Credit are two distinctly different credits.

Fairmon presentation offered that illegal immigrants were abusing the Earned Income Credit. I was not aware of the report that cited abuse of the Additional Child Tax Credit, so that never entered my mind until I started looking around after our exchange.

Now, if we want to talk about abuse of the Additional Child Credit, then there is such abuse and homegrown Americans are abusing it as well.

Why? Because no documentation must be presented at the time of filing a return to claim it. The taxpayer's attesting to their eligibility is all that is required. The IRS cannot demand any proof either. The credit was poorly written and should be held to the same standards that the Earned Income Credit is.

No one without a valid Social Security number for themselves and for each child claimed, should be allowed to receive the credit.

As I understand it, there has been strong resistance from the Democrats to calls for closing this wide-open tax loophole. I find that to be highly irresponsible and I agree that the door to that loophole should be soundly shut.

I find that any abuse of the Additional Child Credit to be clearly wrong, but the IRS has no choice but to allow people to claim it until Congress gets its act together and changes it.

June 6, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
chet123 said...

SOUNDS LIKE THE TEA-PARTY PEOPLE(REPUBLICAN,DIXIE-CRATES)GOING DOWN THE BOWL HA HA HA HAHA!

June 6, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
joneses said...

Headline from The Atlantic Wire off Yahoo website.

"Obama Administration Defends Its Right Take All Your Phone Records"

And the liberals support this action.

What else do you need to know about the liberal agenda?

June 6, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, When I was working in human resources a young Mexican boy changed his dependents to 5, knowing he was only 19 and unmarried, I ask him how he could claim 5 and he replied " my parents and brothers in Mexico." I explained to him he would not be able to claim them on his tax return and he replied, " not going to file". Red flags go up when they do this and the company eventually had to check the status of some of their employees and they were terminated."

I think most employers are aware that filing W-4's with such a claim will result in red flags popping up all over the place.

As you relate, the employer began checking the work eligibility status of all employees.

I'm sure there are a few bad apples out there and they will eventually get caught, but most illegals are probably being paid under the table or being taxed at full rates with reasonable reductions claimed.

The Government and the IRS is not going to do much about those folks either, because they absolutely contribute to the revenue stream and few attempt to file tax returns.

So while there are some who have exploited the Additional Child Credit, there are millions more who pay in and never receive a penny's worth of refunds.

The Additional Child Credit needs to be either amended or shelved altogether.

June 6, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses, metadata from phone calls has been being stored in databases since the 1970's. There is nothing new or unique about it.

With the advent of cell phones, and increased technology, it is a snap to collect this information of practically every phone call placed around the planet.

You can choose to blame it all on Obama, as is your usual habit, but this kind of crap has been going on for years.

The Bush Administration ramped up the collection of metadata after 9/11 and as I recall, there was even a scandal back when he was President, when someone stumbled on the fact that the data was being collected from all the major phone providers.

It does not mean that anyone is listening in on your phone calls.

They just keep up with numbers, locations, duration of calls, etc.

Computers sort it all out to identify possible terrorism activities.

I don't know about you, but I don't get upset about things that I cannot change or have an ounce of control over.

June 6, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Hey liberals, throw alf a life jacket, quick, he's drowning in a sea of B.S.

June 6, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
alprova said...

joepultizer wrote: "Hey liberals, throw alf a life jacket, quick, he's drowning in a sea of B.S."

If you have some disagreement with anything I have offered, spit it out. Discuss it like a man. Don't sit behind that monitor and throw barbs of insult.

June 6, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.

June 6, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
jdavid said...

As a very wise man once said- " If you spend a lot of time trying to convince others that you are not a bigot- You are probably a bigot."

June 6, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Does this include the likes of Al Sharpton?

June 6, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Everyone is a conditional bigot, if the literal definition is applied across the board. You've expressed bigoted comments many times about taxation. You've expressed bigoted comments about sterilization of women who seek an abortion.

In your opinion they were bigoted comments. I don't agree they are bigoted opinions but I probably did make them if they are the same I remember your reacting to. I watched some IRS employees being interviewed about Hispanics and other ethnicities claiming multiple dependents, some with the same data as another filing a return and using an ITEN number. The claim with the name blacked out was shown. The IRS employees saw the problem but were told by their supervisor, as you said, they had no choice but to process them as filed and issue the refund. The estimate of $4 billion in excess refunds was an IRS number. I can't say for sure earned income came into play, all of it may have been multiple dependents. Some of the recipients agreed to be interviewed and admitted they did it.

Earned income is hidden welfare. If the welfare is appropriate call it that and issue it as such but get it out of the tax system. Something is wrong when someone can get a tax refund much greater than the amount of taxes paid. Paying zero or a 100% refund is one thing but a negative number is wrong.

June 6, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: Benghazi, IRS, Holdergate, NSA. All figments of the vast right wing, eh Albert?

June 6, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

"They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices." - Barack Obama, May 5, 2013

June 6, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I saw the meeting on the news last night and wow it did look like something out of the 60's. Veins popping yelling nonsense about freedom of expression. My girlfriend even asked me why would our government make it illegal to criticize Muslims. Someone at her work was going off about it. Thanks Rush! Whipped up into a frenzy then turn em loose. Pathetic. Now to label all those people as Tea party instead of just plain ignorant does a disservice to anyone who is trying to rein in the federal government. Perhaps that is the plan of the left leaning news outlets to sideline and silence opposition to big government. Read Mrs Sohn's OP ED on the left side today and you can see her paint with broad brushes the actions of these.....you fill in the blank. But are they Tea Party? Only when it fits an agenda. Label them racist , because they are. Then associate them with anyone who says running 17 Trillion in the red is unsustainable, now repeat it until the casual person believes it. Just keep the printing press running and we will all be alright, nothing to see here, move along. All of our problems can be traced back to the tax code. The government picking winners and losers in the name of fairness causes animosity and mistrust between groups of differing status. Occupy/ Tea party/ Libertarian, seems to all be close to wanting the same things. Fairness! Drop the social issues, and the politicians who perpetuate them, and stick to the money. It starts with the tax code. ps.....I woke up this morning and I have spell check? I hope this aids in your evaluation of my intelligence.

June 6, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

In regard to bigots: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

The Quakers, the Catholics, and the Jews were all persecuted when they first came to America. . . Indeed, members of some religious organizations like the Quakers were even executed for their religious beliefs. . . Fortunately, sanity finally prevailed.

Things will gradually work out for America’s Muslims as well. . . And sanity will once again prevail. . . In the meantime, the Muslims will need the help of good people just like the early Quakers, Catholics, and Jews needed help when they were being persecuted.

June 6, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order *ISSUED IN APRIL

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the FIRST TIME that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

June 6, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
klifnotes said...

conservative said... Liberals own the word. Most of them who comment here are intolerant of other views to the extreme and habitually use abuse, vulgar language simply because they can't defend their beliefs


Wasn't it the so-called conservatives who often spewed their hatred on this board against gays, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics? Then proceeded to use Bible quotes and call themselves Christians? They were once known as the *ship'em back to Africa, back to Mexico (they were do dumb to know that not all Hispanics come from Mexico) crowd" because they were so open, and boastful about how they'd handle certain groups if they were given the chance?

June 6, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
RexStar said...

Hey, Clay Bennett has the toilet lid on the inside of the toilet.

June 6, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffie says " Wasn't it the so-called conservatives who often spewed their hatred on this board against gays, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics? Then proceeded to use Bible quotes and call themselves Christians?" So Kliffie, cite a few instances of who said what

June 6, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
patriot1 said...

"A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."

"The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual."

"Attributing one's own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile."

"The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity."

"People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way."

Somebody at TFP got issues!

June 6, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The good news, starting today you can call the NSA toll-free and they'll let you know where you lost your cell phone, so there's that...

June 6, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
mtngrl said...

While it is interesting to see who gets sooo defensive over the term bigot... here is a little context for the toon today:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/barry-west-tennessee-muslims_n_3193600.html

DJHBRAINERD and mountainlaurel are the only one who even touched on the subject.

Maybe Maxi thinks Switzerland is in middle TN?

June 6, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mtngirl: While the "muslim wink" is over the top, maybe AM/Muslims could mitigate the ire by speaking out against Islamothugs. All I ever hear from them are crickets.

June 6, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Then you are not listening....

June 6, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
mtngrl said...

But your view is it is the Muslims fault the "teabillies" are burning down their mosque?

June 6, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
conservative said...

klifnotes wrote:

"Wasn't it the so-called conservatives who often spewed their hatred on this board against gays, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics? Then proceeded to use Bible quotes and call themselves Christians?"

Although you mentioned no names you correctly used the term "so-called" for I too feel certain that no true Conservatives have done such.

June 6, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

mtngrl: I'm listening and hearing very little from them. So why are you linking the criminals that burned down a mosque to the tea party? A bit of a stretch, yes?

June 6, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

In regard to bigots: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

"In 2011, the most recent year for FBI hate-crime statistics, there were 1,318 anti-religious crimes reported, which accounted for less than 20 percent of total hate crimes.

Most of the reported religious hate crimes -- 62.2 percent -- were against Jews, while 13.3 percent were against Muslims.

Anti-Catholic, anti-Protestant, anti-atheist/agnostic and attacks against multiple religious groups altogether accounted for 14 percent of the reports, while 10.5 percent of them were about crimes against other unspecified religions."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/hate-crimes-sikhs-hindus-arabs-fbi_n_3392760.html

June 6, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
mtngrl said...

the teabillies term does not necessarily include the entire tea party, try a little research...

teabilly - A member or follower of the Tea Party movement who displays a lack of sophistication. (urban dictionary)

and I got it straight from this very website about the nastiness in middle TN:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/06/mean-spirits-teabillies-bring-shame-to-the/?opiniontimes

I am sure opinions will vary on what percentage of the tea party includes teabillies.

June 6, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gosh, thanks girl. Why didn't I think to google teabillies? My bad. You're so clever.

June 6, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.

Liberals, Democrats and lefties are the bigots of today.

June 6, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
dimestore said...

Conservative, how can you make a post claiming that liberals are so quick to turn to insults when the only insults on the page so far has come from Maximus. "Sinful, angry vindictive, prick..." his hatred froths over with his usual overcompensation of adjectives. Or is he not a True Conservative?

June 6, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
dimestore said...

You all are bigoted against my bigotry. Boo hoo! Poor me...

June 6, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.
RexStar said...

dimestore says "the only insults on the page so far has come from Maximus." More evidence that the anti-TeaParty people can neither read nor think. Go back and read Nooga's rants.

June 6, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
conservative said...

Well dimstore, I don't read Maximus or many others. In fact this is the first time I have read anything from you. I only spoke from personal experience. There are many Liberals on this site whom have done just exactly what I stated.

Maybe the person you referred to is one of those "so-called" Conservatives. Your words define who you are:

Matthew 15:19 KJV

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Mathew 15:18

June 6, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

PlainTruth says: “So why are you linking the criminals that burned down a mosque to the tea party? A bit of a stretch, yes?

Yes, it is a bit of stretch, but you must admit that some of the Tea Party’s rally posters and early Tea Party leaders like Mark Williams have not helped their image:

“Mark Williams, the flamethrower leading the battle against the Ground Zero mosque, was kicked out of the National Tea Party Federation Saturday for a racist blog post. . .

A California radio host and leader of the Tea Party Express, Williams had labeled the Manhattan boro president a "Jewish Uncle Tom" and President Obama an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug."

But when he posted a satirical letter supposedly from "the Colored People" to President Lincoln praising slavery, that apparently crossed the line. . .

"We have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," federation spokesman David Webb said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

He called the letter - written after the NAACP called on Tea Party leaders to oust racists from their ranks - "clearly offensive."

In the voice of slaves, Williams wrote: "Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house.

"We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/tea-party-express-leader-mark-williams-kicked-colored-people-letter-article-1.438854#ixzz2VS8LxNDN

June 6, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, Laurel. Most all of what I know about the TP are the news reels. They seem to me to be pretty much salt of the earth, amber waves of grain Americans. Haven't seem any hangman's nooses, nazi flags, or pitchforks. Maybe they are the victims of bigotry.

June 6, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I am as liberal as they come and I hate bigotry and intolerance as much as anybody, but I'm probably going to earn the ire of most other liberals as I say loud and clear that to turn a blind eye to what is taking place under our noses (the insidious Islamacization of this country) is pure folly and stupidity. The issue of Muslim immigration is unlike any other immigrant issue we've ever faced. I'm all for multiculturalism and diversity and I appreciate the ways that people from other countries and cultures have enriched this nation and made it a far more interesting and colorful place. But to pretend that there is no danger inherent in a wide-open acceptance of the Muslim community is extremely foolish. Europe has already been Islamacized to such an extent that France, England, Germany, Holland, and Sweden have lost their indigenous cultural flavor. Each country is almost unrecognizable from what it was a mere decade ago, having been swallowed up in rapid stages by first the “moderate” Muslims and then by the hateful jihadist Muslims that inevitably follow. In all of the countries listed above, the Muslim communities have grown so rapidly and have succeeded in placing their own Muslim stamp on the culture that their original mild-mannered pleas for respect and tolerance have morphed into rioting demands for the introduction of Sharia law into government. There are many Muslim neighborhoods that have become so dominated by the jihadists and ruled by Sharia law to such an extent that even the police dare not enter.

Go to Youtube and type in the search bar “Muslims in Europe.” You will not find one depiction of Muslim immigration that is favorable. Every country where Muslim immigration has gone unchecked is paying the price for their naïvete and political correctness. I know that there are some Muslims who live their lives with peace in their hearts, but it is impossible to keep the hateful jihadist Muslims out. They all claim to be moderates in the beginning. And as the jihadists proliferate (and they WILL proliferate) those who are truly moderate become even more fearful of denouncing their moderate stance because moderation is the same as apostasy to jihadists, and apostasy is inevitably met with death.

I know that I probably sound like one of those bigots shouting hateful things at that meeting in Murfreesboro and I don’t want to come across like one of them in any way. I believe that every person should be judged according to their character and on their own merits, not according to whatever label they identify with. But Muslim immigration is a whole ‘nother animal. To just throw our arms open wide and pretend that all diversity is good, just for its own sake, would be utter stupidity. Here is a clip from a former Muslim who had the courage to speak out against the Muslim faith, even the “moderate” Muslim faith. He speaks wisely. Listen especially to his message at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pgv6mwO7xQ

June 6, 2013 at 12:38 p.m.
klifnotes said...

conservative said... klifnotes wrote:

"Wasn't it the so-called conservatives who often spewed their hatred on this board against gays, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics? Then proceeded to use Bible quotes and call themselves Christians?"

Although you mentioned no names you correctly used the term "so-called" for I too feel certain that no true Conservatives have done such.


But today, the very term conservative appears to have become a cover code word for I'm a proud bigot. Even the term Christianity is being abused as a cover for racism, intolerance, and bigotry.

June 6, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rickyroo. there is hope for you, yet, brother.

June 6, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Given that Obama didn't know about the Verizon snooping until it was reported yesterday, ignore anything he said on the subject

June 6, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
Walden said...

Rickaroo - good post. It seems to me that the people (rudely) shouting at Killian in Manchester are afraid of the same thing you are, so why are they bigots, and not you?

June 6, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Rickaroo, could much of that invasion of Muslims into Europe and the west have much to do about Middle Eastern countries being taken over by European and western ones? Like America, the Middle East has become the new frontier to be violently settled. Uprooting the natural indigenous people. When countries are violently invaded and occupied, the people scattered to points unknown, they're bound to start migrating to what appears to be safer horizons.

Where the west was once invaded, the Native people brutally removed from their land for agricultural purposes, the same is happening to the middle east and its natural inhabitants for their natural resources. It will become the new LAND OF MILK AND HONEY, the new frontier. When we're all likely dead and gone, the middle east will be renamed the UNITED STATES OF THE MIDDLE EAST, occupied primarily people who don't even remotely resemble the present natural inhabitants.

Remember, at one time what's now known as America was once known as fighting on the side of Israel. The new frontier.

June 6, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
conservative said...

klifnotes,

"But today, the very term conservative appears to have become a cover code word for I'm a proud bigot. Even the term Christianity is being abused as a cover for racism, intolerance, and bigotry"

Who can stop you from your bigoted and misguided beliefs about Conservatives of which I have no control?

On the other hand you admit the bigoted abuse of the term Christianity which is true.

June 6, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT...make no mistake about it - I do NOT share any of your other small minded beliefs, nor those of any other teabagging or libertarian wingnut on this forum. I do not ever want to say anything that would make anyone believe, even for a nano-second, that I am anything like you or any one of them. But I am not so interested in clinging to a label that I deny what I see as truth. I believe that when it comes to Muslim immigration too many liberals are clinging to ideology over an awareness of what is really taking place. What has happened in Europe and is getting worse there by the day WILL happen here if we turn a blind eye to it in the same way that Europe has done. I am all for diversity but this whole thing of Muslim immigration is not just a matter of tolerance and acceptance of different people. I honestly don't know what the answer is because we cannot just deny the truly moderate Muslims the right to their beliefs and the practice of their religion, but we must be vigilant against their attempts at inserting ANY aspect of Sharia law into our government or society. And if we allow the moderate Muslims here, there is really no way of keeping out the jihadist Muslims, because they will all claim to be moderates in the beginning. I am not one to believe in "slippery slopes," but if ever a slippery slope existed (with plenty of evidence to verify it, as in Europe), it exists with this thing of Muslim immigration.

June 6, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

kliffie: So, in other words, the invasion of Europe by Muslims is America's fault. That's rich, Kliff. Blame american first.

June 6, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Pt, you R sooo SILLY! I got a good laugh off that one.

June 6, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So ricky, you say I have small minded beliefs? Like what?

June 6, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Rickaroo said... What has happened in Europe and is getting worse there by the day WILL happen here if we turn a blind eye to it in the same way that Europe has done. I am all for diversity but this whole thing of Muslim immigration is not just a matter of tolerance and acceptance of different people. I honestly don't know what the answer is


I believe the answer is to stop invading countries for their natural resources and scattering the inhabitants to points unknown. Those individuals in those countries wouldn't likely be migrating to the west and Europe, if the west and Europe hadn't made a pack to invade their countries to take control their natural resources.

If I remember correctly, it was then President Roosevelt who said in the 1950s something to the effect, "We will have to one day take control of the natural resources in that region." He was speaking of the natural resources in the middle east.

June 6, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

Obama AG Eric Holder is the lying turd in the bowl. Holder will be flushed soon and enter the sewer where Hillary Clinton resides. The stinch is stiffling! Thanks Clay!

June 6, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I am quite bigoted in my distaste for National Republicans and their bigotry. I am bigoted in my views with people who refuse to stick to the facts when it comes to our current President. I am bigoted when it comes to intentional dishonesty being ladled by those, even when the facts have been introduced numerous times.


Definition of bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.


Excellent!

June 6, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

A google image search of "tea party flag" brings up 18 confederate flags. When you open the bigot spigot, what flows out? Tea!

(You mean its the same as Googling “Liberalism is a form of mental illness” and getting 2,800,000 hits)

Awesome how maximus shows back up right on time, when the cartoon depicts a toilet!

(And you didn’t?)

June 6, 2013 at 1:45 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Klifnotes, I totally understand what you're saying and I agree with you. One could easily make the argument that whatever violence we are seeing from jihadists has been the repercussions of our own violence against them. But the fact is that fundamentalist Muslims honestly believe that all of Western civilization and its secularism (even its Christianity) is evil. And whether they are acting out of vengeance as payback or from their inherent belief that all infidels deserve to die anyway, the fact remains that we are on the verge of a HUGE influx of Muslims, many of whom are going to do everything they can to tear down our society from within. That IS what is going to happen and we are simply bending over with our butts in the air, opening wide our arms, and saying, "Come on in."

We are only recently coming out of the Dark Ages of an oppressive and backward thinking Christianity. Even though many Christians still exist with some rather backward notions of God and the afterlife, at least we have progressed beyond the literal stranglehold that that religion had on society. Now we are opening the flood gates to a religion where millions of its practitioners are not only backward thinking but barbaric, oppressive, and downright evil. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to be faced with any aspect of the stupidity and barbarism of Islam, whether it's seeing women who wrap their entire faces in cloth or making allowances for them to kneel and pray 5 times a day. Fundamentalist Islam is even more backward than fundamentalist Christianity, if that's possible, and there are MILLIONS of fundamentalist Muslims who WILL come here and have their way if we are not vigilant.

June 6, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
Renfield said...

The thing I love about this cartoon is the way it forced the wingnuts to almost think.

June 6, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Where were you WingNuts in 2006 when the NSA did the very same thing?

http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm?csp=1

June 6, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ricky: Reject what I say or not, you at least show that you're not so steeped in ideology that you can't see another POV. Props.

June 6, 2013 at 2 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jdavid said...

As a very wise man once said- " If you spend a lot of time trying to convince others that you are not a bigot- You are probably a bigot."


Bill Maher?

June 6, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Klifnotes... France, Germany, Holland, and Sweden did not send any troops to Iraq and very few to Afghanistan. But look at what is happening there with Muslim immigration. It has become a nightmare. Muslims have grown at a pace faster than any other minority. Look at Sweden in particular. That country, not long ago one of the most peaceful and civilized countries on the planet, has been transformed into a war zone, thanks to militant Muslims who have muscled their way into the culture.

June 6, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rickaroo says: “I say loud and clear that to turn a blind eye to what is taking place under our noses (the insidious Islamacization of this country) is pure folly and stupidity.“

What are you referencing here, Rickaroo? . . . Specifically, how has America become Islamatized? . . . I don’t feel Islamatized . . . and I don’t know anyone who feels Islamatized.

Rickaroo says: “In all of the countries listed above, the Muslim communities… have morphed into rioting demands for the introduction of Sharia law into government.”

Sounds like these countries need to do what we’ve had to do here in the U.S. lately and remind those citizens in no uncertain terms that the country is not a theocracy and it doesn’t intend to become one. . . . And if the citizens with the complaints don’t like it . . . tough.

Rickaroo says: “Every country where Muslim immigration has gone unchecked is paying the price for their naïvete and political correctness.”

I haven’t heard of anyone in America advocating policies suggesting immigration should go unchecked – from any country. . . Have you? . . . If so, please explain.

June 6, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

continued....

klifnotes, you are right - if we had not invaded and occupied and devastated Iraq and Afghanistan neither we nor Europe would be seeing this massive influx of Muslim immigrants we are seeing now. It could be that, like Rev. Jeremiah Wright said in his infamous sermon in which he so clearly stated the truth but was practically tarred and feathered for saying it..."our chickens have come home to roost."

June 6, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
dimestore said...

Rickaroo, if I reposted your statements but inserted "Irish immigration" instead, would you even begin to understand the error you're making? You are pretty much posting the common attitude about them pre-1800s

June 6, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

mountainlaurel...No, we are not yet Islamacized (Islamatized, whatever). I admit I was a bit hasty in saying that. But it is an insidiously creeping phenomenon that is real and not imagined and we are indeed placing political correctness over caution, pretending that diversity for its own sake is good. Most Europeans believed that they were doing the right thing in being accepting of the Muslim community, but now they are regretting it. Muslim immigration is not like any other immigration issue we have ever seen. Most immigrants who have come to this country have done so out of love for it, but among Muslims there are literally millions who now have access to our shores who want nothing more than to change and destroy us. I am not normally a reactionary or a nay-sayer, but all you have to do is look at what's happened (and getting worse) in Europe. What makes you think that we will be more cautious and vigilant than they were? I can only hope we are.

June 6, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You lefties are amazing. You think because we invaded Iraq, that's the reason Rome, London, Paris, Amsterdam, Stockholm, and Dearborn MI are overrun with Muslims? Do you really?

June 6, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

the *ship'em back to Africa, back to Mexico (they were do dumb to know that not all Hispanics come from Mexico) crowd"


They were just being cost conscious. It’s something like LEO’s taking people to the city or county line and putting them out. Maybe like certain big cities giving certain groups of people one way bus tickets to “promised greener pastures”.

June 6, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I haven’t heard of anyone in America advocating policies suggesting immigration should go unchecked." - mountainlaurel

Nobody is advocating any policies regarding immigration whatsoever! Or at least not acting on them. You know full well that we can't even do anything about our ongoing Mexican immigration problems, let alone come up with a tenable policy towards any other immigrants. Of all nations our immigration policies are probably the most "unchecked" of all.

June 6, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Sounds like these countries need to do what we’ve had to do here in the U.S. lately and remind those citizens in no uncertain terms that the country is not a theocracy and it doesn’t intend to become one. . . . And if the citizens with the complaints don’t like it . . . tough." - mountainlaurel

The Europeans said the exact same thing. Sweden is - or at least WAS - the most secular and perhaps most progressive country of them all, but that wasn't enough to stop the militant Muslims from muscling in. I'm just sayin'...

June 6, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mtngrl said...

But your view is it is the Muslims fault the "teabillies" are burning down their mosque?


Let’s say that you can prove a Tea Party member did burn down a mosque. Would that reflect badly on other Tea Party members in general? If you answer in the affirmative then how are you any different than those you condemn? If you answer in the negative then what exactly was your point in raising that issue?

June 6, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Rickaroo, if I reposted your statements but inserted "Irish immigration" instead, would you even begin to understand the error you're making? You are pretty much posting the common attitude about them pre-1800s." - dimestore

What will it take to get you to see the error that YOU are making? You are making the mistake of lumping Muslim immigration in with every other influx of immigrants into this country. But it is unique and fraught with its own set of problems. I'm just saying that there are countless militant Muslims who WILL infiltrate this country along with the "moderates" and once they do, we will have hell to pay for our laxity in letting them in. And please tell me, how do you plan to weed out the jihadists from the "moderates?" Just have them fill out a form and check a box?

June 6, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Jt6gR3hM, go back and read my 11:45 a.m. post where I clearly stated "the teabillies term does not necessarily include the entire tea party"

I said nothing about "other Tea Party members in general"

June 6, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Dimestore and Kliff seem eager to see this happening in America. I'm expecting it, unfortunately, in Michigan before 2015.

June 6, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, little noogies. I'm sure he gives you a Pres. Wilson.

June 6, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
mtngrl said...

and Rickaroo, I think the Native Americans may believe that the Muslim immigration and the fears you espouse has nothing on the European immigration they witnessed ...

The same 1st Ammendment that keeps Andrew, conservative, and the Westboro Baptist Church from taking over the laws of this land also protects against laws radical Islam wants too.

June 6, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I'm in favor of people expressing themselves freely, whether it's a matter of their religious beliefs or speech or how they dress. But I am not so open and easy that I could turn an indifferent eye to a woman covering herself from head to toe in public on account of her religion dictating such nonsense. Nor would I willingly accept someone kneeling in public 5 times a day, no matter where they might be or what they might be doing, just because "Allah" demands it of them. I am eager and willing to accept moderate Muslims who are agree assimilate and abide by our democratic laws and government, but as soon as one smidgen of their Sharia law tries to insert itself into our society, then that is when I would have no problem saying, "F#ck off."

June 6, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
jdavid said...

Jt6gR3hM said "Bill Maher ?"

JDavid says "YES"

June 6, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

http://www.aina.org/news/20130530111316.htm

Another good read, on what's happening in England.

Rickaroo I agree, it's "discrimination" in some places if a sufficient number of prayer breaks aren't given in a work day, or if special allowances aren't made for female attire no matter how inappropriate it may be for a particular business.

June 6, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"and Rickaroo, I think the Native Americans may believe that the Muslim immigration and the fears you espouse has nothing on the European immigration they witnessed." - mtngrl

I agree with you! I think that what took place then was despicable and there is no justifying it. But that doesn't mean that my "fears" of Muslim infiltration are not real. Have you even read about or looked at the video footage of what is going on in Europe?? How can you look at that and have anything good to say about it? There is not ONE good thing to be said for the infiltration of militant Islam that is taking hold and spreading in those countries. For cryin' out loud, I'm not saying that all Muslims are bad. I honestly don't know what the answer is, but to keep comparing this phenomenon of Muslim immigration to every other influx of immigrants in our past is ludicrous. It is NOT the same. To be oblivious to the problems that go hand in hand with it is to be stupidly passive and willfully ignorant, all for the sake of being politically correct. That's bullsh!t.

June 6, 2013 at 4 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

RickyRoo rockin the truth today.

June 6, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
dimestore said...

Rickaroo, there have been militant groups in this country since its inception. It is not new. While I believe your fear is genuine, it is not any different than Red Scare hysteria with a new face. The sensationalist blog articles are hilarious proof.

June 6, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

I haven’t heard of anyone in America advocating policies suggesting immigration should go unchecked – from any country. . . Have you? . . . If so, please explain.


Well there is this:

http://openborders.info/

June 6, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Sensationalist? You think what's happening in Sweden and England is exaggerated in the links?

June 6, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If anything, they are downplayed.

June 6, 2013 at 5 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Red scare was real.

June 6, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Big Lotto Winner in FL. IRS says they can't compute tax until they know her party affiliation.

June 6, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
potcat said...

Rickaroo, you are right and it has nothing to do with fear but by knowing and heeding the history of Muslim immigration into European countries and the destructive irreversable madness that follows these people should never be shucked off with Liberal P C platitudes.

The Muslim population is growing stronger and mightier every second in the US and we need a handle on it yesterday.

Bigot, i don't think so. Smart-Wise, we better be. Its real hard to undo a footHold of MillionS...............

June 6, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
dimestore said...

Laughingboy, you mean the article originally titled "Sweden riots spread beyond Stockholm" that was changed to "VIOLENT MUSLIM RIOTS CONTINUE FOR SIXTH STRAIGHT DAY IN SWEDEN, SPREADING BEYOND CAPITAL," despite being about riots ignited by the police shooting of a 69 year old man? The one that refers to immigrants as "invaders" and is written by Pamela Gellar, co-founder of two hate groups according to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center?

Sensationalist? Naw, baby, that's just fair and balanced.

What more can Ms. Gellar tell me about the REAL cause of the riots in France, from the safety of her Upper East Side apartment in NY? It's always nice to hear an alternative to the Jew-run media!

June 6, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wow

June 6, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Renfield said...

The thing I love about this cartoon is the way it forced the wingnuts to almost think.


This from a “character” that, it is reported, bites the heads off of birds to obtain their life force.

June 6, 2013 at 6:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BHO has displayed one thing he's good for. He makes a good case for a limited federal govt.

June 6, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rickaroo says: “Sweden is - or at least WAS - the most secular and perhaps most progressive country of them all, but that wasn't enough to stop the militant Muslims from muscling in. I'm just sayin'...

Just saying what, Rickaroo? I’ve been reading about these issues for some time now and my take on the problem is very different from your take. For example, you've mentioned Sweden several times, but I note that you’ve yet to share with us some of the other basic facts connected with the immigrant problem in Sweden – especially the situation involving jobs:

“In the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s, Sweden, which had more manufacturing jobs than citizens to fill them, invited immigrants in. Most came from other European countries. They worked and paid taxes. Those were good years for Malmo, which had shipyards and a textile industry.

When those jobs disappeared, Sweden stopped the flow of immigrant labor, but not the flow of refugees, many of whom clustered in Malmo and other former industrial centers. Jobs were still scarce, but housing was available, apartments built long ago for laborers.

In some of those apartment blocks, the unemployment rate among immigrants stands at 80 percent. Still, their children need schooling, and they have elderly parents who need health care. Some are damaged by the violence they have lived through. They suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and drug and alcohol addictions.

Prof. Jan Ekberg, an economist at Linnaeus University, questions the policies that allowed so many refugees to settle far from jobs. “They are depending on the public sector now as never before,” he said. “That was a policy mistake.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/world/europe/27sweden.html?pagewanted=all

June 6, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Easy123 said...

Where were you WingNuts in 2006 when the NSA did the very same thing?


I can’t answer for the wingnut or the moonbats but I remember this happening. At that time I was in the same state of mind as the others, especially liberals, that were unhappy with that program and were calling for certain people to “lose their job”. I know that I can’t really prove or that you can’t disprove my claim so it carries no real weight, does it? I just thought you might want to know and by the way where were you?

Something that is very strange is that many of those that were supporting my position then are now on the other side. Don’t you think that someone in this administration should “lose their job” for this activity?

June 6, 2013 at 6:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nooga said...

Tu your(sic) back on the pipe again aren't you!


I have stopped the fluid flow and you are welcome to drain the pipe at your leisure.

June 6, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo: Benghazi, IRS, Holdergate, NSA. All figments of the vast right wing, eh Albert?"

When someone in the White House is booted from office, THEN tell me they are not figments of the right-wing.

June 6, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

“In the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s, Sweden, which had more manufacturing jobs than citizens to fill them, invited immigrants in.


Remember when those Northern Europeans were the model of what we should attempt to attain to. Man it is so painful to have your ideals put low and to realize that they’re just another bunch of over privileged white people ... Right?

June 6, 2013 at 6:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dimestore said ...

It's always nice to hear an alternative to the Jew-run media!


What ... Is Stormfront’s site down?

June 6, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rickaroo says: “No, we are not yet Islamacized (Islamatized, whatever). I admit I was a bit hasty in saying that. But it is an insidiously creeping phenomenon that is real and not imagined and we are indeed placing political correctness over caution, pretending that diversity for its own sake is good.”

I haven’t heard anyone propose an immigration policy that seeks diversity for the sake of diversity or puts political correctness over caution. Indeed, if you have a credible link to such a proposal, why don’t you share it and we can discuss it. I also have yet to notice this "insidiously creeping phenomenon" that you reference in you post.

June 6, 2013 at 7:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dimestore said ...

riots ignited by the police shooting of a 69 year old man?


You mean the 69 year old man that along with his wife were harassed by a suspected Muslim gang as they walked home. The one that collected a large hunting knife and brandished it to the gang members to scare them off. The one that others called the police on for threatening with the knife. The one that wouldn’t allow the police to enter when they arrived, claiming they could be the gang wanting in. The one that when a flash grenade was used attempted to attack the police upon their entry and they shot him. A tragic outcome and a perfect crisis that neighborhood race hustlers didn’t let go to waste.

They could very easily be mistaken for the liberal activist in this country ... Right?

June 6, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

I haven't read a post from anyone here that is not to some extent a bigot. Regurgitating of an article by a favorite news journalist, a blog or political talking points according to ones personal ideology and how they want things go be dominates this forum. It is amusing when someone says "I just tell it like it is" when the fact is they tell it like they think it is or should be. Or, "I just call it like I see it" without realizing they are almost blind.

It is hard for some to accept that there is little fundamental difference in the democrats and republicans. What do you know about Valerie Jarrett that you know is accurate? Are you sure she always acts and gives advice that is in the best interest of the president?

June 6, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dimestore said ...

and the Southern Poverty Law Center?


Didn’t you mean to write the proven hate group “Southern Poverty Law Center”

You know, the group whose overheated rhetoric influenced a liberal white man in Washington, D.C. attempt to murder members of a conservative Christian group.

The A.P. reported that Floyd Lee Corkins Corkins “In his plea agreement, Corkins acknowledged he identified the Council as “an anti-gay organization” by visiting Southern Poverty’s website.”

The hate group SPLC routinely demonizes conservative groups they disagree with, in the most vile terms, and inevitably it results in this kind of despicable actions.

Don’t you agree?

June 6, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Rickaroo said... Klifnotes... France, Germany, Holland, and Sweden did not send any troops to Iraq and very few to Afghanistan. But look at what is happening there with Muslim immigration. It has become a nightmare.


Rickaroo those countries may not have sent any troops into Iraq and very few into Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean they had no direct or indirect influence on what's happened in those two countries.

Both Europe and the west have to be honest and evaluate what's triggering the radicals? Remember, everything that's exploded in the middle east today we're witnessing was already in making over a half a century ago.

And when I see those individuals giving interviews like the one you posted, they remind of that Shalaabi (likely misspelled) dude and the Bazir (also likely misspelled) dude who fed a lot of false and misleading information. Come to think about it, what became of those two when they were exposed?

Grouping all Muslims together is like grouping all Americans or Europeans together. There are vast differences, and they often conflict with another. There are Sunni, Kurd, Shiites and who knows what else. And even within those groups there are differences that are often at odds with one another. Then break that down into several different tribal and sects. I realize you already know most of this. I value your wisdom on many, if not all, topics.

I'm just wondering if all this may be similar to what happened after World War II in Europe. Where during World War II, when help was needed and invited in from all points they could gather. After the war ended and those allied countries that had come to help, and were welcomed with open arms, invited into their homes, suddenly those individuals that came to aide had doors slammed in their face, and were no longer welcome.

June 6, 2013 at 8:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No savvy that last paragraph, Kliffie.

June 6, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
tifosi said...

Excellent work Clay. The bigotry in Tennessee is far more dangerous to our democracy than any Sharia law. Those that are threatened by Sharia have little to no faith in our democracy or the U.S. Constitution. They just want to spread more fear.

June 6, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: what about your bigotry, pal?

June 6, 2013 at 9:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BHO gonna be pissed when he reads about the PRISM bidness in tomorrow's paper.

June 6, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
dimestore said...

Jt6gR3hM, the Anti-Defamation League is a group dedicated to combating antisemitism. Their condemnation of Gellar as a racist and a conspiracy theorist is what I was referencing, but I can forgive you for your ignorance of her past and history to think I was being serious and not mocking her own statements.

Not sure why you're bringing up the exact circumstances of the 69-year old's death. I was not making any statement as to whether it was right or wrong, just that the cause of the riots had nothing to do with Islam or any kind of religious movement. Frankly, it sounds like he reaped what he sowed.

I would not describe the SPLC as a hate group, since hate groups are based on attacking people for their immutable characteristics, of which political affiliation does not apply. I don't care how mean they are when they talk about white supremacists and men who drag homosexuals to death behind trucks. I'm perplexed why anyone would try to defend such people, or try to alleviate Floyd Lee Corkin of his personal responsibility in acting out his condemned and unaffiliated crimes.

June 6, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
dimestore said...

klifnotes, it is strange how religions are grouped these days. The largest population of Muslims today is in in Southeast Asia, not in the Middle East. Yet when people talk about Islam they most frequently describe militant Arab Islamists, and talk about Muslims in the US or other countries as if they are the same. The populations of Indonesia and India are probably very off-put by this.

Then again, in the US I frequently see Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons will be grouped together as "Christians" when some of those groups have completely different Bibles, let alone beliefs. If I worshiped and made blood sacrifices to the sun, but I called it "Christ," would I still be a Christian?

June 6, 2013 at 10:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Here's Exactly Who to Blame in Congress for Authorizing Government Spying:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/congress-government-spying-votes-charts/65969/

Look Who's Defending the NSA's Phone Record Snooping:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/nsa-phone-records-reactions-washington/65973/

June 6, 2013 at 10:44 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I felt like a spy as a kid in this city, listening to friends' and teammates' dads make racial jokes and laughing along to fit in. Mays, McCovey, Stargell, Aaron, Clemente... the list goes on and on of sports stars that were somehow viewed by these bigots as being less than their sorry, inconsequential asses. Even the moms, as I recall, were steeped in some kind of uppity, birthright/pride syndrome. The craziest thing is that they just knew that you felt the same way. There's no way that I'm gonna suspend disbelief now and assume that you right wingers are any different than your prejudiced parents.

Keep circling the wagons, boys! Pretty soon you'll have a moat!

June 6, 2013 at 10:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dudely: And we love you for it. You're the poster child for all that is good.

June 6, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.
joneses said...

I remember the left wing loons like George Wallace, KKK Byrd, Lyndon B Johnson, Al Gore Sr. spouting off their redneck racist remarks. Left wing loons have not changed at all. They practice racism by making minorities victims and have minorities convinced they cannot make it on their own. They have gathered a flock of sheep to use as they will. The democrats are the real hate filled racist party.

June 6, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dimestore said...

Jt6gR3hM, the Anti-Defamation League is a group dedicated to combating antisemitism. Their condemnation of Gellar as a racist and a conspiracy theorist is what I was referencing, but I can forgive you for your ignorance of her past and history to think I was being serious and not mocking her own statements.


Belay that overly self important offer of forgiveness in that you are hardly one of the few elite that is well versed in current events, so climb down. I neither mentioned, condemned, or defended her but instead addressed your last sentence about the Jew-run media.


Not sure why you're bringing up the exact circumstances of the 69-year old's death. I was not making any statement as to whether it was right or wrong, just that the cause of the riots had nothing to do with Islam or any kind of religious movement. Frankly, it sounds like he reaped what he sowed.


No if the story is as I related it he was a very scared person that made a bad choice that cost him his life.

I brought up the 69 year old because you were overwrought about someone adding Muslim to the title of a story. You were implying that Islam or Muslim weren’t the cause of the riots but it was this man’s death at the hands of a probably racist law enforcement agency.

The vast majority of those rioting were Muslim and their activist leaders were exploiting the man’s death to push their agenda. Which is, that even though Sweden has one of the world’s most supportive safety nets this immigrant group wants even more and are willing to use force to obtain it.


I would not describe the SPLC as a hate group, since hate groups are based on attacking people for their immutable characteristics, of which political affiliation does not apply.


I beg to differ that hate groups are only based on immutable characteristics. This thread is in reference to legal authorities discussing hate crimes against Muslims for their Islamic faith. The example I gave was of the same nature.

(cont)

June 6, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

I don't care how mean they are when they talk about white supremacists and men who drag homosexuals to death behind trucks.


How brave of you to go out on a limb there.


I'm perplexed why anyone would try to defend such people, or try to alleviate Floyd Lee Corkin of his personal responsibility in acting out his condemned and unaffiliated crimes.


You might want to flesh out that accusation, if you are capable, as I gave no such defence. I in no way alleviated the criminal from his personal responsibility. I simply provided an example of how easy it is to establish the classification of people and groups we disagree with as hate groups. It is a stupid exercise in criminalizing thought crimes which is something that people like you so relish. It marginalizes and demonizes your political opponents so you don’t have to do the hard work of rationally defending your point of view.

June 6, 2013 at 11:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I remember the WingNut loons like joneses, JonRoss, Maximus, timbo and others spouting off their redneck racist remarks. WingNuts have not changed at all. They practice racism daily and have gone to great lengths to disenfranchise, demonize, and blame non-whites for anything and everything under the Sun. They have gathered a flock of sheep to use as they will, but that flock is dwindling quickly. The Republicans are and have always been the real hate filled racist party.

June 6, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
alprova said...

jones wrote: " The democrats are the real hate filled racist party."

You simply cannot define the word "racist," nor apparently the word "hate" as well.

You are the most blatant bigot in this forum and have proven it many, many times.

June 6, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mtngrl said 11:19 A.M.: “Here is a little context for the toon today.”

Thanks for the link, Mtngrl. Clearly, Coffee County Commissioner Barry West is a loser. Indeed, I don’t see how someone like this guy could possibly be considered a good candidate for what Coffee County claims it’s striving towards in its mission statement:

Coffee County Mission Statement:Our mission is committed to providing direction, leadership and model excellence in local government to ensure professional accountability to the community. We strive daily to address the many needs of our community in an effective, courteous, efficient and fiscally responsible manner. We are dedicated to enhancing the quality of life through planning and visionary leadership, continually improving and increasing our efficiency while providing extraordinary service to the citizens of Coffee County.”

http://www.coffeecountytn.org/government/mayors_office/index.html

June 6, 2013 at 11:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

I felt like a spy as a kid in this city, listening to friends' and teammates' dads make racial jokes and laughing along to fit in.


Those little personal life narratives are so much fun and they are quite useful as well. They allow you to present yourself in the best possible light, at the same time give yourself the high ground, and place your opponents in a no win position.

Plus unless you make the mistake of giving details that can be verified as false you can not be proven wrong. After all it is your story and you are sticking with it and if others don’t like it they can make up their own reality.

Right?

June 6, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus... thank you for the kind remarks. Might I, in turn, suggest that you are the poster boy for Preparation H and Selsun Blue? Why don't you treat your hand to dinner and a movie tonight, neckcheese?

June 6, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Wrong, tu_quoque, but thanks for the inroad to your psyche. Try the truth sometime, it's waaay less complicated.

June 6, 2013 at 11:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Excellent work Clay. The bigotry in Tennessee is far more dangerous to our democracy than any Sharia law. Those that are threatened by Sharia have little to no faith in our democracy or the U.S. Constitution. They just want to spread more fear.


You mean in the same way that “Professional” Atheists live in fear of a Christian theocracy establishing itself in control of our government. They are absolutely unhinged in the way they view the possibility of anything like that happening.

June 6, 2013 at 11:46 p.m.
dimestore said...

joneses, the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights act was a significant event in American politics that changed both political parties. Racists like Byrd and Strom Thurmond in the Democratic Party fought hard against its passage, but Northern Democrats and Republicans outnumbered them. In the end it was passed, with 93% of Southern politicians voting against the House version, and 95% of Southern politicians voting against the Senate version. The South would no longer vote for the Democratic party, where it previously had a stronghold. Racists were soon courted deliberately by the Republican party using the Southern Strategy: (please forgive the implied language)


"You start out in 1954 by saying, "N----r, n----r, n----r." By 1968 you can't say "n----r" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N----r, n----r."" - Lee Atwater (advisor of U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush and chairman of the Republican National Committee)


Atwater viewed this change as a positive one, distracting racists and turning their attention to more important issues. I honestly can't say whether he was right or not.

June 6, 2013 at 11:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

Was Abe Lincoln a bigot? Was he a republican? Were George Wallace and Lester Maddox bigots? Were they republicans? How much bigger is the government now than 30 years ago. It is not possible for the president to manage the federal government as huge as it is. It Is not possible for a president to know and communicate with more than a small percent of government employees. Things like $50 million in IRS conferences cost at plush expensive facilities are not uncommon but not a president issue. It is the result of congress approving money without describing for what and how it can be spent. Neither party has an edge in the number of bigots or in the number of economic idiots.

June 7, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

They hated atwater for one reason. He could whip their asses. Even in death, they still pummel him.

June 7, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
alprova said...

Well well well. It appears that the Republicans are throwing in the towel on their chances to gain seats in Congress next year and solidifying charges that they are the party of Hispanic bigotry.

House Votes To Resume Deporting Young DREAM Act Immigrants

"The Republican-controlled House voted Thursday to resume the deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought illegally to the United States as children, the first immigration-related vote in either chamber of Congress this year and a measure of the daunting challenge facing supporters of a sweeping overhaul of existing law on the subject."

"The party-line vote of 224-201 was aimed at blocking implementation of President Barack Obama's 2012 election-year order to stop deportations of many so-called DREAM Act individuals. Democrats on the House floor reacted with boos when the provision was added to a routine spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/06/house-votes-to-resume-deporting-young-dream-act-immigrants/#ixzz2VVIyhjh5

June 7, 2013 at 1:08 a.m.
potcat said...

Mountialauren proclaims Coffe County Commissioner Bary West a loser.

Bary West is a Democrat. He is very contrite for posting the cartoon, he thought it was funny.

The Murfreesboro-Nashville Muslim gangs saw a opening to push their agenda and hold a hmmm,Rally in Manchester. Dumbass Bill Killian went along with them. They knew what would happen and could'nt be happier with the out come, Praise Allah.

I'm from Manchester and i know Bill Killian and this was not a fair representasion of Coffee County. The hmmm.. Rally was attented by a lot of out of towners because guess what, it was annouced-advertised to a certain group of haters.

June 7, 2013 at 6:10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Runnaway Attorney General, FISA, PRISM, cheek swabs, lying president, Gestapo IRS. Can a POLICE STATE be far behind?

June 7, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
fairmon said...

Exert from the homeland security funding bill; The Secretary of Homeland Security shall ensure enforcement of immigration laws (as defined in section 101(a)(17) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(17))).

Alprova..Did you read the bill or just post a misleading FOX news headline? Was the low number of democrats supporting the bill not a budget issue? What is wrong with enforcing current law until it is changed? How can we say we are a country of laws if the laws are ignored or only enforced selectively? It is possible that by trying to enforce present law congress would have to get off their butt and change the law to something realistic and enforceable.

June 7, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Runnnnaway 'n' key, as well. Everything's gonna be alright, rebus. Just take your Xanax and put your daddy's Luger away.

June 7, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

After the wink, shouldn't a liberal come by and toss in food stamps, tennis shoes and a cell phone?

June 7, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Potcat says: “Bary West is a Democrat. . . he thought it was funny.”

Well. . . I'd say this along with a few other things. . .including a bizarre sense of humor.

Potcat says: “He is very contrite for posting the cartoon.”

And he should be contrite, Potcat. . . As a community leader, Mr. West has some responsibilities and “posting a photo on his Facebook page showing a man with a squinted eye aiming a shotgun, under the phrase, "How to wink at a Muslim" fails to meet any kind of decent standard, especially the fine standard that Coffee County has set:

“Our mission is committed to providing direction, leadership and model excellence in local government to ensure professional accountability to the community. We strive daily to address the many needs of our community in an effective, courteous, efficient and fiscally responsible manner.”

Potcat says: “The Murfreesboro-Nashville Muslim gangs saw a opening to push their agenda and hold a hmmm,Rally in Manchester.”

Well, I don’t know anything about this. . . In fact, I don’t even know if there is such a thing as a Murfreesboro-Nashville Muslim gang. . . But what I do know is that our kids need good role models . . . and our communities need good leaders . . . and “posting a photo on his Facebook page showing a man with a squinted eye aiming a shotgun, under the phrase, "How to wink at a Muslim" doesn’t fulfill either one of those needs.

Potcat says: “Dumbass Bill Killian went along with them. They knew what would happen and could'nt be happier with the out come, Praise Allah.” I'm from Manchester and i know Bill Killian and this was not a fair representasion of Coffee County.”

I don’t see anything dumb about Bill Killian’s effort. Personally, I admire him for doing it. If outsiders presented a problem and if Coffee County plans to hold any future meetings they should simply limit the floor to residents only. Clearly, this shouldn’t be a problem. We know everyone in the State of Tennessee has a picture ID. Right?

June 7, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
jesse said...

All BIGOTS need to be put up against the wall and SHOT!

Then the lions and tigers will rule the worls because all the humand beez DEAD!!

June 7, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
Walden said...

The NYT editorial board has turned on Obama. Time for all you local hacks to give it up, the Pros have!

June 7, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
Walden said...

jesse - a little early to be drinkin', don't ya think?

June 7, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
jesse said...

wow walden,that musta just went right by ya!

BTW: the NYT is casigating Obama now and for that to happin it means his days as an effective leader are just about over! The next three years are gonna be hell on Earth for him and his abetors!

June 7, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Alprova..Did you read the bill or just post a misleading FOX news headline?"

There was nothing misleading. The Republicans seem to have decide to shelve their resolve to bridge the gap between themselves and Hispanics.

"Was the low number of democrats supporting the bill not a budget issue?"

Who knows now? The Budget bill was hijacked to create another piece of legislation that was certain to be not signed by the President.

"What is wrong with enforcing current law until it is changed?"

Because those illegals who came here as children did not break any of our laws and did not make a choice to be here.

"How can we say we are a country of laws if the laws are ignored or only enforced selectively?"

How can we say we are a country of compassionate humans if we deport people to a land that they do not know, who have lived here since they were children?

"It is possible that by trying to enforce present law congress would have to get off their butt and change the law to something realistic and enforceable."

The kind of laws that some of you would like to see enforced takes lots and lots of money...something that the United States is currently short of at the moment.

June 7, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
Walden said...

must have, jess

June 7, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
Leaf said...

I'm not loving this cartoon. Kinda gross and not up to the usual standards of cleverness. Not that I could even do half as well.

June 7, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
Walden said...

Leaf, this toon is actually quite standard.

June 7, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
potcat said...

Coffe County "Manchester" does'nt have a Muslim poulation but up the interstate in Nashville- Murfreesboro the Federal Goverment has settled quit a few. Because of the cartoon The Muslim's got DumbAss Killian to hold the event in Coffee Co.

I know Bill Killian, he's a good ole boy and i hired him a couple times as a Lawyer. At the time if you had the money and wanted out of trouble he was the one with connections, Judge, DA whole nine yards. I've lived in Marion County over 30yrs. and he is born and bred. Lets just say he would'nt pull that sh.. in his own County and i gauran damn T you would'nt find him or Mountianlauren living in Little TurkishSTAN in Nashville OR SamaliVille.

June 7, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
Walden said...

wow, between potcat and rickyroo there sure is a lot of bigotry coming from the left! he he he...

June 7, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
chatt_man said...

We know Dude, it's all gonna be alright... Daddy Bama's at the helm. Is there really enough Xanax around to numb us all? Don't give him any ideas, it'll be free with Obamacare and tell me, will it be available to kids 15 and over too?

June 7, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
tifosi said...

I miss the old GOP. The new one is in Clay's toilet bowl, destined to go with all the shyte posted here by the bigotted right-wing of today.

from NBC News:

"We heard from Bob Dole this weekend, now 89 years old, the former senate leader, Kansas senator, decorated World War II veteran and presidential candidate, has been largely out of public view at times fighting ill health, but his fighting spirit is clearly undiminished. he made it clear in a rare interview this weekend the GOP of his day is unrecognizable. He thinks they should pause, rebuild and start over.

I think they ought to put a sign on the committee doors "closed for repairs until New Year's day next year" and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas.

Dole said Reagan would not have made it in the current era GOP and he considers himself a mainstream conservative republican."

June 7, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
jesse said...

we need some old time repub. like Robt. Taft!

June 7, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dude: You seem to obsess with avatars, screen-names, and Nazis. Do you sleep in little black-silk SS jammies?

June 7, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

James Clapper came under criticism on Thursday for statements to Democrat senator Ron Wyden that appeared to be contradicted by the revelations of the surveillance programs. Asked in March whether “millions” of Americans had “any kind of [their] data” collected by the US government, Clapper replied: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly."

Hard to figure how this is nat a blatant lie. But I'm sure the administration can tap-dance around it

June 7, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

I don’t see anything dumb about Bill Killian’s effort. Personally, I admire him for doing it.


Mr. Killian’s interviews with the media before the meeting were either very dumb, to the level of near stupid, or he had an ulterior motive to create the scene and resultant media coverage. He implied in several interviews that the federal government was intent on prosecuting people for hate speech, directed at Muslims, on the internet. The fact that he was holding the meeting in the home area of Mr. West only fortified that impression.

People were incited not due to the Muslim angle but that a Federal law enforcement agent would openly threaten them with denial of their Constitutional rights.

Of course he knew he couldn’t prosecute people for hateful comments on the internet but when the firestorm erupted he made little effort or was incapable to explain himself.


If outsiders presented a problem and if Coffee County plans to hold any future meetings they should simply limit the floor to residents only. Clearly, this shouldn’t be a problem. We know everyone in the State of Tennessee has a picture ID. Right?


No, as there are many that are unqualified or do not intend to vote who do not bother to obtain one.

That’s, of course, beside the point which is Those outside troublemakers have always been the problem ... Right?

June 7, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

How can we say we are a country of compassionate humans if we deport people to a land that they do not know, who have lived here since they were children?

How many times have you said we are not a compassionate country so the government has to extract from some to care for others. Most recently you said no one was helping the Salvation Army or the Red Cross with the Patten Towers problem. I must be compassionate since I did make a contribution to the Salvation Army last week.

June 7, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

These people I refer to will die bigots and with each successive generation, my hope is that one day, bigotry will die and be buried with them.


No, the factory continues to turn them out 24/7 just as they always have. Until there is some force that can universally impose Groupthink it will continue.

June 7, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Because those illegals who came here as children did not break any of our laws and did not make a choice to be here.


Someone did, so are you up for punishing them or is using the children just a cover for “open borders” concerning those that claim an economic need?

Once the children reach the age of maturity and are obviously aware of their status are they obligated to make attempts at corrective actions?

June 7, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

These people I refer to will die bigots and with each successive generation, my hope is that one day, bigotry will die and be buried with them.

alprova...that sounds like something a bigot would say. You are hoping for something that has existed in various forms according to some opining about such since recorded history. As much as I detest what some people say I fear the slippery slope of limiting what they can say. I have no problem with holding someone accountable for inciting an attack, a riot, defamation etc. I have been threatened as most people have. My response is "go ahead, I can't keep you from trying to do that but I will break you from the habit".

June 7, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

The kind of laws that some of you would like to see enforced takes lots and lots of money...something that the United States is currently short of at the moment.


Typical left wing big government thinking in that anything they oppose is larded down with excessive cost, difficulty, and delay. There are many ways to accomplish self deportation of illegals that cost the taxpayers very little or nothing and may in fact save money.

If the laws were enforced or created that would punish employers that hire them. Legal cut off all but emergency government assistance and they would proceed back to their homeland. There they could legally go through the process to enter our country.

If this country truly needs unskilled guest workers they should be properly credentialed for certain time periods with citizenship only allowed by entering the line behind other applicants and go through the legal process.

June 7, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

So the tactic today seems to be: 1. Oh yeah? Well, you are a bigot too, about other stuff. 2. Oh yeah? Well, bigotry is in our dna, we can't help it. 3. Oh yeah? Well, Benghazi.

In response I submit that some people are bigots and others aren't, reason and civilization can overcome our baser instincts, and people can change for the better if they want to.

June 7, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The word "bigot" is the new "racist". That is, anyone not agreeing with the left is a bigot. Anyone for immigration enforcement is a bigot. Sound about right, southpaws?

June 7, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

Simplistic Truthiness. A "racist" is a type of "bigot." Suggest you use a "dictionary."

June 7, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

So the tactic today seems to be: 1. Oh yeah? Well, you are a bigot too, about other stuff. 2. Oh yeah? Well, bigotry is in our dna, we can't help it. 3. Oh yeah? Well, Benghazi.

In response I submit that some people are bigots and others aren't, reason and civilization can overcome our baser instincts, and people can change for the better if they want to.


As a very wise man once said- " If you spend a lot of time trying to convince others that you are not a bigot- You are probably a bigot." - jdavid/bill maher

June 7, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Leaf: Not so sure about that. Suggest you do further research. You got the point, but would rather quibble over semantics rather than the statement? Weak gruel.

June 7, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Leaf said...

Simplistic Truthiness. A "racist" is a type of "bigot." Suggest you use a "dictionary."


No, they are distinctive universes that overlap in varying degrees but are not entirely inclusive to one another.

June 7, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
tipper said...

Clay Bennett: Number 1 cartoon in my book. Thanks for taking the bigots and "teabillies" out of the punch bowl and putting back them where they belong. Even better would have been a two-part cartoon showing the guy flushing the toilet sending them to the depths of their intelligence.

June 7, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Sir, George Walker Bush is the man who led any charge to spread Democracy into the Middle East and I remind you, he is the one who led us into war in the Middle East. He spoke of it many times.

Obama speaks often about our country being a Democracy, but I have never heard him expressing any belief that the United States should be directly involved in spreading Democracy to other nations.


It is a fact that countries, in which its citizens have true self rule, are more likely to be friendly in their interactions with others. Wouldn’t it behoove all to encourage that type of governance and to do so doesn’t mean your intentions are alwayus authoritative in nature.

However countries that persist in being international outlaws may need a gentle nudge in a direction that benefits our national as well as international interests... If you know what I mean?

By the way isn't the attitude that other countries and their citizens are not capable of higher level forms of governance an expression of bigotry or racism.

June 7, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tipper said...

Clay Bennett: Number 1 cartoon in my book. Thanks for taking the bigots and "teabillies" out of the punch bowl and putting back them where they belong. Even better would have been a two-part cartoon showing the guy flushing the toilet sending them to the depths of their intelligence.


Thank you for that trenchant analysis that you are so well known for. I truly want to express that in the positively worst sort of way possible.

June 7, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
jesse said...

All raciest are bigots But not all bigots are raciest!

Bigotry can be about anything someone perceives as diff.and a threat!Religion,politics , mental acumen,talent or any thing else you can think up! Con man is certainly bigoted against anyone who has diff. religious beliefs than his and some on here are bigoted against folks the perceive as not as smart as they are!

June 7, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Clay,

I can smell you from here!!!

How about a courtesy flush?

June 7, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^. 5 stars

June 7, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

"Is he a bigot when he does not trust the wealthy with incentives to do right by those less fortunate and in need?"

I have a good answer for that one. The TFP had an article just yesterday, citing the fact that the Salvation Army has not received but three small donations for the victims of the Patten Towers fire.

Despite appeals by the Red Cross, The Salvation Army, and the Mayor, people just don't seem to care anymore about the poor anymore.


How is that an answer to whether or not the “rich” are assisting unless the total and complete gauge of assistance is donations to the Salvation Army? How do you know that people of all economic levels are not assisting in other ways or through other groups?

Using your criteria of how much assistance is forthcoming from the public it would appear to be more of a condemnation of all Chattanooga and not just a certain economic strata.

June 7, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
klifnotes said...

If powerful nations would put a stop to going into these coutries, propping up and supporting brutal dictator, and lighting fires all over the globe, the people won't feel a need to flee for their own safety.


On Immigration:

Why There's Been A Rise In Illegal (as well as legal) Migration Over The Last 30 or So Years:

The woman, of Mayan Indian heritage, had crossed the U.S. border seven times while pregnant, only to be caught and shipped back across the border on six of those attempts. She braved many miles, enduring blisteringly hot days and freezing nights, with no water or shelter, amid roaming gunmen. The last time she crossed, seven months pregnant, she was rescued by immigration solidarity activists who helped her to find her way to Boston.

Most of the border crossers are from Central America. Many say they would rather be home, if the possibility of decent survival hadn’t been destroyed. Mayans such as this young mother are still fleeing from the wreckage of the genocidal assault on the indigenous population of the Guatemalan highlands 30 years ago.

The main perpetrator, Gen. Efrain Rios Montt, the former dictator who ruled Guatemala during two of the bloodiest years of the country’s decades-long civil war, was convicted in a Guatemalan court of genocide and crimes against humanity, on May 10.

Then, 10 days later, the case was overturned under suspicious circumstances. It is unclear whether the trial will continue.

Rios Montt’s forces killed tens of thousands of Guatemalans, mostly Mayans, in the year 1982 alone.

As that bloody year ended, President Reagan assured the nation that the killer was “a man of great personal integrity and commitment,” who was getting a “bum rap” from human-rights organizations and who “wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans and to promote social justice.” Therefore, the president continued, “My administration will do all it can to support his progressive efforts.”

http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky-nuclear?akid=10533.226703.rYB54r&rd=1&src=newsletter851605&t=7

June 7, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.

Telling it the way it is, is not bigotry.

June 7, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Rickaroo, could much of that invasion of Muslims into Europe and the west have much to do about Middle Eastern countries being taken over by European and western ones? Like America, the Middle East has become the new frontier to be violently settled. Uprooting the natural indigenous people.


Are you suggesting that people of European descent are intent in settling the middle east and become the dominant population and thus taking control of their land and governments from within?


When countries are violently invaded and occupied, the people scattered to points unknown, they're bound to start migrating to what appears to be safer horizons.


Why would those people bother to emigrate to western nations when you state that the westerners are on their way to populate the Middle East. They will surely bring the same economic and governmental systems that worked so well where they came from and you stated are safer places to live.


Where the west was once invaded, the Native people brutally removed from their land for agricultural purposes, the same is happening to the middle east and its natural inhabitants for their natural resources. It will become the new LAND OF MILK AND HONEY, the new frontier. When we're all likely dead and gone, the middle east will be renamed the UNITED STATES OF THE MIDDLE EAST, occupied primarily people who don't even remotely resemble the present natural inhabitants.


Do you realize that the Western country's European based citizenry are reproducing at rates that will not even maintain a steady state level but in fact are in decline? How are they going to populate the Middle East unless some external or internal stimuli leads them to go there for “safer horizons”?

June 7, 2013 at 6:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

PT...make no mistake about it - I do NOT share any of your other small minded beliefs, nor those of any other teabagging or libertarian wingnut on this forum. I do not ever want to say anything that would make anyone believe, even for a nano-second, that I am anything like you or any one of them. But I am not so interested in clinging to a label that I deny what I see as truth. I believe that when it comes to Muslim immigration too many liberals are clinging to ideology over an awareness of what is really taking place.


Some would say that your specific acculturation blinds you to the reality that your truths are subjective.

However once you personally start seeing cracks in the wall of relativism you are done for.

You are suffering from cognitive dissonance but you can seek some relief by indulging in “Doublethink” as coined by George Orwell.

“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary.

Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

June 7, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

kliffie: You're just kidding, right?

June 7, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Thanks RickyRoo. Glad to have you as a friend.

June 7, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Why would those people bother to emigrate to western nations when you state that the westerners are on their way to populate the Middle East.


The average masses are rarely aware of the powers controlling their situation or why.

If Europe and the west weren't there, they wouldn't feel the need to migrate to the west or Europe.

It's like the practice of gentrification known to take place from time to time here, but only on a massive scale.

June 7, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "Runnaway Attorney General, FISA, PRISM, cheek swabs, lying president, Gestapo IRS."

PlainTruth thensaid... "Dude: You seem to obsess with avatars, screen-names, and Nazis. Do you sleep in little black-silk SS jammies?"

LMAO! What a fool! Never you mind what I sleep in. That line of thought makes my skin crawl. Visualize somebody else in bed, if you don't mind.

June 7, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6etc. said... "...encourage that type of governance."

Did you hold your nose when you typed that? Encourage governance? Encourage??? LMaO! Shock, Encourage, & Awe!

June 7, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

Those objecting to the NSA monitoring who is calling who when can just quit using the phone. There is no law requiring anyone to use a phone or internet service. Avoid calling people that are or can be a terrorist threat. I trust the security agency a lot more than the IRS. There is most likely something illegal about IRS tactics and at the least partisan and inappropriate.

June 7, 2013 at 10:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

dude_abides said...

Jt6etc. said... "...encourage that type of governance."

Did you hold your nose when you typed that? Encourage governance? Encourage??? LMaO! Shock, Encourage, & Awe!


Are you the lefty on call tonight while the other hide under their beds?

Are you guys getting scandal fatigue?

June 7, 2013 at 10:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

fairmon said...

Those objecting to the NSA monitoring who is calling who when can just quit using the phone.

There is no law requiring anyone to use a phone or internet service.

Avoid calling people that are or can be a terrorist threat.


Good joke.

You are joking right?

Right?

June 7, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jt6... They're all at Riverbend fournicating! I'm holding down the fort at liberal headquarters, subverting wholesomeness and being basically unhygienic, while railing fervently against family values and good clean fun.

June 7, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "How many times have you said we are not a compassionate country so the government has to extract from some to care for others."

It's true. I don't equivocate that to mean that there are not compassionate people in this nation, but whether it is because people are too involved in their own lives to take the time to act, or whatever the reason may be, the need for charitable giving outweighs that which is given, so the Government does need to provide assistance.

"Most recently you said no one was helping the Salvation Army or the Red Cross with the Patten Towers problem. I must be compassionate since I did make a contribution to the Salvation Army last week."

I would hope that many people sat down a wrote a check after reading that article.

June 7, 2013 at 11:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

It's 11:30 so it must be alprova time.

Lets all limbo!

June 7, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Once the children reach the age of maturity and are obviously aware of their status are they obligated to make attempts at corrective actions?"

Imagine if you grow up in a two-parent home with all the amenities in Chattanooga, Tennessee. At the age of 18, you are put on a bus, and dumped out in New York City with just the clothes on your back and told that you can never go back to the only home you have ever known.

That is what you are inquiring if they should be demanded to do.

June 7, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "By the way isn't the attitude that other countries and their citizens are not capable of higher level forms of governance an expression of bigotry or racism."

No. It's an expression that such countries need to work out their own problems like our country did.

Leading by example is far more persuasive than dropping bombs on people's heads as a form of coercing people to adopt principles of Democracy.

June 7, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

fairmon said ...

I must be compassionate since I did make a contribution to the Salvation Army last week.


You really should not have made that disclosure especially since alprova said there were only three (small?) donations.

Easy123 will now be trying to access their records to see if he can mine any personal information he can exploit to smear you.

June 7, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "By the way isn't the attitude that other countries and their citizens are not capable of higher level forms of governance an expression of bigotry or racism."

No. It's an expression that such countries need to work out their own problems like our country did.

Leading by example is far more persuasive than dropping bombs on people's heads as a form of coercing people to adopt principles of Democracy.


Thanks for dropping that stawman bomb on me as I specifically stated that was not the ideal way to address that situation.

You want countries to work out their own problems but declaring them incapable of dealing with higher level forms of governance is not bigoted or racist? Are they inherently less able to govern their affairs in a democratic self government way than primarily white Western countries?

June 8, 2013 at 12:02 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "How is that an answer to whether or not the “rich” are assisting unless the total and complete gauge of assistance is donations to the Salvation Army?"

Are you asking me that question? I never made any such distinction nor mentioned the "rich" as a group not stepping up to the plate.

I brought up one local instance of people in need and one the organization, other than our city Government, that was involved with the care for those displaced by the Patten Towers fire.

"How do you know that people of all economic levels are not assisting in other ways or through other groups?"

Well...let's see. No other group has been mentioned as being involved in aiding these folks and no mention has been made of donations being forwarded to the city of Chattanooga either.

"Using your criteria of how much assistance is forthcoming from the public it would appear to be more of a condemnation of all Chattanooga and not just a certain economic strata."

Do you know how many times in the past week that I have read comments from those in the local area that Patten Towers needs to be closed rather than repaired?

People are acting as if the property houses nothing but bums, rather than people who have no other place to go or the means by which to live in Section 8 housing.

These are the sickest of the sick and have chronic illnesses. Most are clearly disabled and winding down their lives and if the comments are any indication, there seems to be a deep resentment by some people that they are housed locally.

So...yeah, there does appear to be a problem with some Chattanoogans, who are in a much more favorable position and who are equally clueless to the fact that some people are barely hanging on to life, but who are not ready to bow out of life just yet.

June 8, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Once the children reach the age of maturity and are obviously aware of their status are they obligated to make attempts at corrective actions?"

Imagine if you grow up in a two-parent home with all the amenities in Chattanooga, Tennessee. At the age of 18, you are put on a bus, and dumped out in New York City with just the clothes on your back and told that you can never go back to the only home you have ever known.

That is what you are inquiring if they should be demanded to do.(?)


Thanks for the non-answer.

Who mentioned legally deporting them from the country?

Mine was a question of ethics in a person meeting their legal obligations to a country they want to make their permanent home.

June 8, 2013 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "You want countries to work out their own problems but declaring them incapable of dealing with higher level forms of governance is not bigoted or racist?"

Who are you referring to, who has stated any such thing? When are you going to stop beating little kids? I have just as much evidence of that, as you have of that which you are accusing me of.

"Are they inherently less able to govern their affairs in a democratic self government way than primarily white Western countries?"

Less willing is more the case. Everyone is capable of Democracy. Many just reject it.

June 8, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "How is that an answer to whether or not the “rich” are assisting unless the total and complete gauge of assistance is donations to the Salvation Army?"

Are you asking me that question? I never made any such distinction nor mentioned the "rich" as a group not stepping up to the plate.

I brought up one local instance of people in need and one the organization, other than our city Government, that was involved with the care for those displaced by the Patten Towers fire.


Here is the question you were responding to:

"Is he a bigot when he does not trust the wealthy with incentives to do right by those less fortunate and in need?"

Here is your answer:

“I have a good answer for that one. The TFP had an article just yesterday, citing the fact that the Salvation Army has not received but three small donations for the victims of the Patten Towers fire.”

Sure looks like you were referring to rich people.

June 8, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

"How do you know that people of all economic levels are not assisting in other ways or through other groups?"

Well...let's see. No other group has been mentioned as being involved in aiding these folks and no mention has been made of donations being forwarded to the city of Chattanooga either.


Are you saying that if something occurs but you are not personally aware of it happening then it really didn't happen?

June 8, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Thanks for the non-answer."

I think I gave you a fine answer. Although presented as a question, I have little doubt, given your stance on the issue, that you have no problem with them being deported, now that they are adults.

I just wanted to illustrate what it is that you would like done to them.

"Who mentioned legally deporting them from the country?"

Who did? THE REPUBLICANS in the House of Representatives, with a non-binding vote taken yesterday. That is exactly what prompted me to bring up the issue.

"Mine was a question of ethics in a person meeting their legal obligations to a country they want to make their permanent home."

And that is EXACTLY what our current President wants to see happen.

These people would love nothing more than to legalize their status as citizens of this nation. There's just one problem, in case you are totally unaware of it.

Our Republican leaders do not want these people to become legal citizens, unless they are deported and apply for citizenship from outside of our borders.

Many, if not most, do not know a soul in their countries of birth. They only know life in the United States.

While apparently, you have no issue with them being uprooted, deported, and thrown out on the streets of a place where their future is very much like that scenario I cited for an 18 year old United States citizen put on a bus to New York City, I find it disgusting to even suggest that this is what Americans should do to those who have lived among us since they were children.

June 8, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

So...yeah, there does appear to be a problem with some Chattanoogans, who are in a much more favorable position and who are equally clueless to the fact that some people are barely hanging on to life, but who are not ready to bow out of life just yet.


Again with the attacks on those ”in a much more favorable position” that you have no proof if they are assisting or not.

What about those that are just in a ”more favorable position”?

I going to assume here that since you are making such a stink about this you were one of the three donors. With fairmon that means that 2/3 of the caring people in Chattanooga are represented on this web site.

June 8, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Sure looks like you were referring to rich people."

Good God, you are nothing, if not a nit-picker.

I am responsible for my own words. I am not responsible for those of others.

June 8, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Thanks for the non-answer."

I think I gave you a fine answer. Although presented as a question, I have little doubt, given your stance on the issue, that you have no problem with them being deported, now that they are adults. I just wanted to illustrate what it is that you would like done to them.


You’re obviously exhibiting willful ignorance of my “stance on the issue” since I posted on this thread to you in fact:


alprova said ...

The kind of laws that some of you would like to see enforced takes lots and lots of money...something that the United States is currently short of at the moment.


Typical left wing big government thinking in that anything they oppose is larded down with excessive cost, difficulty, and delay. There are many ways to accomplish self deportation of illegals that cost the taxpayers very little or nothing and may in fact save money.

If the laws were enforced or created that would punish employers that hire them. Legal cut off all but emergency government assistance and they would proceed back to their homeland. There they could legally go through the process to enter our country.

If this country truly needs unskilled guest workers they should be properly credentialed for certain time periods with citizenship only allowed by entering the line behind other applicants and go through the legal process.

June 8, 2013 at 12:40 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Again with the attacks on those ”in a much more favorable position” that you have no proof if they are assisting or not."

Do you find it funny when you apply someone's words to a subject not even being addressed?

That sentence was in response to comments I read that Patten Towers should be closed. It was not in response to any monetary assistance that people may or may not be providing.

"What about those that are just in a ”more favorable position”?"

What about them? Many of them have not an ounce of compassion for those who find themselves not in favorable circumstances in life.

"I going to assume here that since you are making such a stink about this you were one of the three donors."

You'll just have to wonder for the rest of your life about that. I don't disclose or brag, if you will, what I do for others.

"With fairmon that means that 2/3 of the caring people in Chattanooga are represented on this web site."

I'm quite sure that by now, more than 3 donations have been made in response to that article.

I hope, if you are in a favorable position to do so, that you have done likewise.

June 8, 2013 at 12:41 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "If this country truly needs unskilled guest workers they should be properly credentialed for certain time periods with citizenship only allowed by entering the line behind other applicants and go through the legal process."

We're just going to have to disagree.

I say rubber stamp them, give them full citizenship, and welcome them with open arms. This is their country by default.

June 8, 2013 at 12:44 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

"Who mentioned legally deporting them from the country?"

Who did? THE REPUBLICANS in the House of Representatives, with a non-binding vote taken yesterday. That is exactly what prompted me to bring up the issue.


Sorry that went over your head since it was a rhetorical question to your claim that I wanted the illegals legally deported.

June 8, 2013 at 12:45 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Again with the attacks on those ”in a much more favorable position” that you have no proof if they are assisting or not."

Do you find it funny when you apply someone's words to a subject not even being addressed?

That sentence was in response to comments I read that Patten Towers should be closed. It was not in response to any monetary assistance that people may or may not be providing.


I do find it funny when you start confusing your many diversions and strawmen.

June 8, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Sorry that went over your head since it was a rhetorical question to your claim that I wanted the illegals legally deported."

I find it very hard to discuss anything with you, because you just love to allude all the time to contrary positions in vague terms, yet claim at a later time that you never took the opposite position.

I'm sure this is intentional on your part.

Perhaps if you would attempt from time to time to actually take a position when discussing issues, you would not find yourself misunderstood all the time.

But...then you could not play your little game of being the Devil's advocate all the time, could you?

June 8, 2013 at 12:54 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "I do find it funny when you start confusing your many diversions and strawmen."

You know damn well what you did. Anyone reading it will see it too.

Don't pin your intellectual dishonesty on me.

June 8, 2013 at 12:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

aprova said ...

I say rubber stamp them, give them full citizenship, and welcome them with open arms. This is their country by default.


Thank you for admitting your "open borders" view point.

I guess it would be fruitless to propose anything to prevent this situation from continuing to compound itself?

June 8, 2013 at 12:58 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Thank you for admitting your "open borders" view point."

Okay...it's just about time to put you back on this ignore list. You just cannot refrain from putting words into people's fingers, can you?

I am not an advocate of open borders. Right now, they are like Swiss Cheese. That ma'am is not my design, my fault, nor my desire.

If we can seal the borders to prevent illegal immigration, fine. I'm all for it. But we have 11-20 million illegals here now, and the process of sending them back is definitely cost prohibitive.

I say let 'em stay, verify their backgrounds one-by-one, and make them productive, tax-paying United States citizens.

"I guess it would be fruitless to propose anything to prevent this situation from continuing to compound itself?"

As has been pointed out many times, by many people, the evidence is that more illegal immigrants have been leaving the country than those coming in for quite a few years now.

There is no current evidence that there is any compounding of the problem to worry about.

They come here for jobs. If the door is shut on that probability, as has been addressed quite sufficiently within the past few years, save for a few bad apples, and as prosecutions for violations of illegal hiring continue to progress, there will not be a reason for illegals to come here.

Closing the borders completely will only trap them and prevent them from returning home.

Short of posting an armed guard every 20 feet or so, 24/7/365, I don't see how we will ever totally close the border.

June 8, 2013 at 1:23 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Thank you for admitting your "open borders" view point."

Okay...it's just about time to put you back on this ignore list. You just cannot refrain from putting words into people's fingers, can you?


Do whatever allows you to get through the day. However I will continue to point out your misconceptions and errors whether you defend yourself or not.


If we can seal the borders to prevent illegal immigration, fine. I'm all for it. But we have 11-20 million illegals here now, and the process of sending them back is definitely cost prohibitive.


What’s wrong with self deportation where they pay the bill?


I say let 'em stay, verify their backgrounds one-by-one, and make them productive, tax-paying United States citizens.


As I have said if we need them as guest workers then credential them and if they want to become citizens lets them join the line behind those that have applied in the legal way.


As has been pointed out many times, by many people, the evidence is that more illegal immigrants have been leaving the country than those coming in for quite a few years now.

There is no current evidence that there is any compounding of the problem to worry about.


You inadvertently stumbled onto the truth. There are as many coming in as there are leaving and those entering will undoubtedly bring small children that will be fuel for a future pity party.


Closing the borders completely will only trap them and prevent them from returning home.


Do you really believe that if an illegal showed up at the border and reveal his/her status that the U.S. border patrol would prevent them from leaving? Really?


Let me ask you a question? If we allow these “Dreamers” to stay would you place any limits on how many and the type of family members they could acquire amnesty for?

June 8, 2013 at 1:58 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Yep the ole southern "wink nod" or southern justice as they know it.

June 10, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
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