published Friday, June 7th, 2013

5-at-10: Mailbag on our Bama love, sports best bargains, 5-at-10 history and international bucket list

Gang, the time keeps flying, and it was another strong week.

We considered putting Jomo's question from Monday in here, but we all got a chance to discuss that then.

If you have more to say about the freedom of speech, feel free to speak freely (see what we did there Chas9?) and we can keep that discussion going.

As always, participate in any of the below questions — or ask us about the Heat's somewhat shocking Game 1 loss to the Spurs.

From the "Talks too much" studios, pucker up butter cup. What? Ferris Bueller's on line 2.

From BigO

You had the college football lines early this week, and you think Alabama is going to beat Va Tech by more than 17 and win at Texas A&M by more than 6? Whatever.

No way. I can't believe how much you love Alabama. Why? Why do you and the rest of the media folks worship Alabama?

Until you start writing about Tennessee, I'm not reading this junk any more.

See ya.

BigO (if you come back) —

Call it love, call it worship, call it whatever you like, but it is not emotion. It is respect.

This may be the most-talented Alabama team of the Saban era. Read that sentence again, and know that the Tide have All-Americans at:

A) Quarterback

B) Running back

C) Wide Receiver

D) Offensive tackle

E) Offensive guard

F) Linebacker (two)

G) Safety

This is not All-SEC players mind you. This is All-Americans. Alabama is that good.

As for the 'love' you prescribe, well, we try whenever possible to tell it like it is. If love is truth and truth is love, well, the love is Alabama is the best team in the country. Period.

As for writing more about Tennessee, well, we'll let Jomo or MocTastic or some of the other UTC folks handle that one.

(Side note: Read our bio at the bottom and notice where we went to college. Want to rethink that question? See ya when we see ya.)


From Flipper


I have been reading you almost from the beginning, and I have to say two things.

First, I am amazed that you do this every day. I don't even shower every day. Thanks.

Second, what's with all the NBA love?

Thanks for the morning reading -- it is a daily stop -- and let us know when you get back on the radio.


Thanks for the kind words, and for being a part of the growing circle of folks that make this fun.

When we started this on Tuesday, Oct. 26 2010, we actually had two entries — the 5-at-10 and the 2:00 Drill — that we did every day for a while. The 5-at-10 was much, Much, MUCH short back then. (Here's a link to the first.)

We went a couple of weeks before we got even the first comment, a zinger from show regular Livn4life that was...

Livn4life said...

Greeson you must have someone better than Ron Burgundy to turn to. Did you miss your trip to Starbucks or the MCD's biscuit stop? Come ON MAN, you can do better than Anchorman outtakes. Work on it! Get help, contact Coach Dooley or Huesman. Someone can get you back on track!!!

When the comments started picking up in the morning 5-at-10 we ended the 2:00 Drill, which was a 2 p.m. update. More times than not now, we'll comment at least a couple of times on the 5-at-10, so we wanted to keep the discussion in one place. Keeping the discussion on track, however, is another matter.

We started doing this to make us write more — it's really easy to get caught up in meetings and planning and the other duties of our day job and forget why we started in this BID-ness in the first place. That said, we would have bagged it a long time ago if it was not a) fun; and b) made fun by interacting with you yahoos. So thanks right back at you.

(Side note I: We recommend showering daily if possible. If not, hey, you gotta be you, right?)

(Side note II: We have had several folks ask for a running glossary of common terms we use that may or may not be common to newer readers. We're not the best person to start this list, because those of you who know the TFP sports editor, know this is pretty much how we talk. The crazy thing about the 5-at-10 is this is more internet radio than a planned column. We sit, we type, no big whoop. We're going to try to assemble a list of common references this summer so if any of you have some you think need to be included, please share. Where were we?)

(Side note III: That was fair criticism back then LivnLarge, and it's fair criticism now. You know what they say, 60 percent of the time, it works every time. Bless you Brian Fontana, Brick Tamland and the rest of the Anchorman gang.)

As for the NBA love, well, it's a combination of things. Part of it is a lack of other stuff going on at the moment. Part of it is the game is better right now than it has been in a long, Long, LONG time. Part of it is the enjoyment of watching LeBron James chase his spot in history.

Without any of those three, we'd probably go right back to ignoring the NBA like most of the rest of the folks we know.


From Cap-sized

That was an interesting list from Forbes the other day about the athletes who make the most jack.

It got me thinking, who do you think is the best bargain in sports?

Thanks and thanks for the 5-at-10 (you could stand to quote Blazing Saddles a little more often, you know).


It's true, it's true, we could quote Blazing Saddles a little more frequently. We'll work on that. And thanks for the great question.

In truth the two best values in sports in our eyes are Nick Saban (Sorry, Big O) and Tiger Woods.

Saban is winning at a historic clip and has made the University of Alabama tens of millions for his $5-plus million per year salary. Coupled with national brand he has made the Tide into and what that brings in for the town of Tuscaloosa seven to eight Saturdays a year, his success and presence and the power program he has crafted likely generates close to $250 million a year. That's a pretty good return on less than $6 million per.

As for Tiger, he is the most successful of the individual athletes, who for the most part are the sales people of the sports world.

Team sports stars are business salaries folks; individual sports stars are really working on commission, earning what they can while they can by closing deals and cashing checks.

And Woods is the best ever at that. And while the return is not as great as Saban's, Woods is still an ATM for Nike. The Swoosh has paid him hundreds of millions to swing and sling their brand. Nike Golf has done tens, in not hundreds of billions of dollars worldwide in revenue with him as the face. That's good value.


Scott G.

Your summer slow down reference made me wonder what movies that if you see that they are on, you always stop?

(PS — I saw Identity Thief in the theater. At least you only paid $6 for it. It was crap.)

Scott G. —

Great question, and we have to do two lists because we are a sucker for sports movies. In truth, limiting it to just four sports movies is going to be so tough, we're going to invite the Mrs. 5-at-10 to play along because she is not a fan when we stop on one of the below films (especially since we've seen them at least 10 times each).

Rushmore of sports movies that stop the clicker

1) Hoosiers. This is No. 1 on both lists by a pretty wide margin.

2) Field of Dreams

3) Rudy

4) The Replacements

Rushmore of non-sports movies that stop the clicker

1) Shawshank

2) Gladiator

3) Anchorman

4) Red Dawn/Road House (God's speed Patrick Swayze, God's speed)

(And yes, No. 4 on each of those lists are movies that are so bad they are excellent.)


From Sportsfan

Jay - ready for football. How much longer? For the mailbag. What's your Rushmore of international sports events that you'd like to attend in person? Put me down for the running of the bulls in Spain, the Tour de Fance when the riders are in the Alps, a World Cup soccer game in S America (preferably in Brazil), and an Australian Rules football game down under (miss the Sunday am games broadcast on ESPN 25 years ago). Thanks and love the 5 at 10.

Sportsfan —

We're 90 days from the opening Thursday night of college football season. But who's counting, right?

Our Rushmore of overseas sports checklist, huh? Great question, and we'll do our best to try not to duplicate yours.

• Sunday at The Open at St. Andrew's. (This may be the No. 1 thing on our sports bucket list overall, but we've had the chance to see/do a lot of cool sports events.)

• ManU soccer game. We're not that much into soccer — but the passion is undeniable. (World Cup would be here, but we're trying to be different from Sportsfan's list.)

• Wimbledon.

• Stanley Cup Game 7 in Montreal.

Your list is definitely more international. So it goes.

Discuss and have a great weekend.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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Walden said...

I just went back and read Jomo's question from Monday. Great question, and one worth pondering if we as a society would be willing to have an honest debate. I would point Jomo to the commenters that frequent the Clay Bennett cartoon "chat room" as some insight into the craven nature of the atheist mind, even in our midst.

June 7, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
Walden said...

By the way Jay, are you doing Fall soccer on the mountain? That's my favorite season.

June 7, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
Blueoval said...

Jay, the little 5/10 needs to do flag football on the mtn in the fall. It's a great league and a lot of fun.

I have a Rushmore suggestion for next week..a Rushmore of Sports duos. Like Stockton and Malone, Manning and Harrison, Woods and Steve Williams(well used to be)

June 7, 2013 at 10:46 a.m.
chas9 said...

Yes, five ball, I saw what you did there. Smooth as silk.

Speaking of silks (see what I did there?), the Belmont has earned nary a word in this space. But I'm not complaining. The Kentucky Derby is always worth the talk, because the Derby, and the Preakness is worth a mention, because there's usually a Triple Crown possibility open. But when there's no Triple Crown possibility, the Belmont is nothing, at least around here.

Big Oprah has his right to free speech, but the rest of us want to ask him this: WTF? Over the (many) years I've been reading the local sports pages, the orangeclad who expect the pages to offer nothing but unstinted praise for Knoxville U have been my chief regret at living here. I say praise the praiseworthy (orange or not--and there's been much to praise at UT) and slam the slamworthy. And toughen up your thin skin O.

Kudos to L4L for being first, but I think he was pretty tough on you. He just wasn't digging your vibe yet. By now, I think he's in the groove.

Yes, Saban is amazing. And he's only 4'10" tall. We need more midgets on the show.

The international sports event nominations are strong. I'd add an ascent of Everest, Sumo wrestling, and two I've actually seen. A bocce ball game on any tree-lined country lane in Italy, Ireland or France, played by a few old gents in tweed sport coats, likely with drinks in hand. And the Henley Regatta on the Thames with the grassy banks lined with upper crust gents in navy blazers featuring their school's crest on the pocket and their ladies with the big hats and summery linen dresses, eating strawberries and sipping champagne or Pimm's.

June 7, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Seriously, is BigO for real? Did he just come out of 30 year coma? His "issue" has been addressed more and more times both online AND in print by the various sports editors way back when the two newspapers were still separate and before there was even an Internet.

Am I a Bama lover? Hell no. Do I respect them? Hell yes.

Also, this newspaper has provided more Tennessee coverage short of what Butch Jones had for breakfest. And trust me, as a "Mocs" fan and alumni, there have been many, many, MANY times where I felt the coverage had been unjustfully slanted towards Mother Knoxville (especially when the Mocs had a rare win against GSU or Appy and the Vols got their butts handed to them).

However, compared to in the past, I feel this paper does a great job maintaining the balancing act that it literally has to given the fact we "share community" with neighboring Georgia and have readers in the northeast tip of Alabama. Considering we don't have a major sports franchise per season, you should be happy with what you get.

Even though the Cowboys are the "Tennessee" of North Texas, the DMN does not do round the clock coverage because they know that most readers are Ranger, Mavs, etc. and no one gets upset. Heck, half to three quarters of the local college students here either go to North Texas or the other UTC (University of Texas left on Cooper) in Arlington and you how much coverage the DMN gives THEIR programs? Less then chicken feed.

Conclusion: sports coverage in Chattanooga is just like the weather in Texas, if your favorite team is not being covered at that moment WAIT 15 MINUTES!

Have a good weekend everyone.

June 7, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Great stuff this week JG...your courage in the wake of last nights dousing of the Heat is admirable.

Clorox Orange fans never cease to amaze me...if you don't want to read about the best college football program in all the land, then poke your eyes out so you don't have to LOL.

Rushmore of foreign country events would have to belly flopping in Alabama (see equal opportunity).

A sports movie recommendation for you JG..."The Harder They Fall", a boxing film and Bogarts final performance...great film watch it each and every time and even has Max Baer, no not Jethro Bodine, but his dad the one time heavyweight champ.

2013 football season officially begins in Chattanooga tomorrow night!

June 7, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Anybody notice last night the drafting of Hunter Harvey in the first round by Baltimore? He is the son of Bryan Harvey, former major leaguer who was born in Soddy Daisy and who whomself was the son of former local softball great Pinch Harvey? Some good genetics in that family for sure.

June 7, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Todd962 said...

9er, I bet your apartment smells of rich mahogany and your walls are lined with many leather bound books. If I were to attend those events you listed, would I be forced to hold my pinky out on my PBR? Enter belch.

June 7, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
chas9 said...

Agree with JMC that the TFP has the best ever balance on the sports pages.

Tood--No mahogany in my study, and most of my books are paperback. I'm not one of the stiff upper lip bunch, but I enjoy the spectacle and the people watching. Just as I enjoyed the dirt track racing at Boyd's Speedway last Friday (except that they served no PBR or any other suds). And I'd enjoy seeing Bama belly flopping, catfish noodling or a jumping frog contest.

June 7, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
WilliamRscott said...

Niner: who knew you were so worldly? Good stuff all-the-way-around, but especially well-played regarding little Nicky Satan. Brings to mind the Randy Newman lyric "short people got no reason..."


June 7, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
Todd962 said...

9er, variety is the spice of life they say. The closet thing to mahogany in my study comes in the form of a crayon in my 64 count variety pack. While I've never seen real live bocce ball, I have played it with the Playstation Move. Its an excellent compliment to a cocktail. I'd say the setting for your experience slightly outmatched my living room. Perhaps I could get Lady Todd to accompany me to the Head of the Hooch Regatta if I enticed her with promises of big hats. Where do these frog jumping contests you speak of take place? This intrigues me.

June 7, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Gang, thanks for the kind words about the TFP sports section. We have a lot of folks who care deeply and bring the lumber every day. It's a daily wrestling match with coverage decision, and in truth, people being upset about said decisions is not a bad thing. (Means they are reading and they are passionate about their paper.)

Walden —

We may kick the soccer idea around. (Thank you. Thank you.)

BlyeOval loves Anacott Steel —

We're talking about doing that too. And we have been approached about potentially coaching. Do they have Oklahoma drills in flag football?

9er —

Well played indeed sir.

Big Oprah? Excellent.

And that's some list. Where'd you come from, a scotch ad?


Also, well-played indeed.

And you have a good weekend, as well.

OG —

Hargis will have an advance on the Stump game in tomorrow's TFP.

And thanks for the movie suggestion.

MT —

Never knew Bryan Harvey was from these parts. Thanks for the knowledge.

962 —

What's that 962, you ate an entire wheel of cheese?

B-I-B —

No doubt. Niner is officially the most interesting commenter in the world.

Stay thirsty friends.

June 7, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[As for the NBA love, well, it's a combination of things. Part of it is a lack of other stuff going on at the moment. Part of it is the game is better right now than it has been in a long, Long, LONG time. Part of it is the enjoyment of watching LeBron James chase his spot in history.]

Agreed that the game is at its best right now. I don't get how some folks don't have the interest in watching. Maybe it's a demographic thing. Either way, I think NBA games have a better flow than the college games do. Plus the rules are better, the players are better, and the officials are by far better than their college counterparts. The college game actually benefits as it continues to change its rules to mimic those of the NBA. Next up for the college game to fix is reducing the shot clock and reducing TV timeouts (or rather timeouts in general).

In regard to LeBron, he's a great talent and I enjoy watching him play, but I find myself cheering against him. I didn't have a problem with him doing "The Decision" especially since he raised a bunch of money for the B&G Club doing it. But it feels like he's somehow "cheated" the game by teaming up with 2 other all-stars via free agency...even though he has actually done nothing wrong by doing such. I think MJ said it best when he said he'd never want to team up with Larry, Magic, etc. to get a ring. It was because he'd rather beat those guys en route to a ring.

June 7, 2013 at 1:45 p.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring,

For a sports editor in SEC territory to ignore Alabama is to ignore a five alarm fire just down from his office. Reading your columns over the last year and half, you write plenty on Tennessee. The TFP also has Patrick Brown in K-Town year around. This not the case at the Capstone.

June 7, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Ten Ring-

Thank you.


It is a demographic thing. It's also a there-are-other-things to do thing and a most-sports-fans-are-following-baseball at the moment thing. Unless it's the Super Bowl, the NCAA FBS Championship, or the NCAA Men's BB Championship, nobody cares (or at least that's the vibe I'm getting). Even the World Series has been losing steam for the last 20 years. Unless your team is in the game, people tend to move on to something else.

I do believe as crazy as this reads, if Atlanta had the exact same amount of talent as Miami has and were playing San Antonio in the championship "Hawk-mania" would have gripped the Scenic City by the talons. Otherwise, it's "when's football season?" and "who wants to go see the Lookouts/Braves?"

June 7, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[I do believe as crazy as this reads, if Atlanta had the exact same amount of talent as Miami has and were playing San Antonio in the championship "Hawk-mania" would have gripped the Scenic City by the talons.]

Good points in your post, JMC, but I wonder if "Hawk-mania" would ever draw strong interest in the Scenic City no matter who was on ATL's roster. Maybe Jay can weigh into this as well, but if everyone on the Heat right now were playing for the Hawks, would people in Chattanooga care any more about the NBA than they do now? I am thinking no, but I hope I'd be wrong.

June 7, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Reading Jay's Rushmore of non-sports movies leaves me with only one question in mind: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?" I know old movie quotes are popular around here and I could not resist. "Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"

Concerning international sports events I would like to witness first-hand, I will go with women's beach volleyball in Brazil.

Concerning things I never thought I would see and now have, an Auburn graduate being accused of loving the Crimson Tide too much. Next stop, Bizarro World. The cats bark, black is white and Auburn fans yell "roll tide".

June 7, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stewwie —

Great point about the college game. In fact that's part of our increased interest in the NBA, too — the decline of the quality of the college game. It's raggedy.

And we can understand that line of thinking about LBJ.

To skip ahead, if the Heatles were in the 404 rather than South Beach, we say yes, the A-T-L would be a buzz right now, and Chattanooga too. But in our opinion, that's more about LeBron than winning. If a really good pro sports team was in Atlanta, after the initial buzz of winning wore thin, the charge would vanish. Ask the Braves.

But, even with the great pitching the 1990s Braves had and the peaks — and valleys — the Falcons have had, has Atlanta ever had a pinnacle star? One of those transcendental players?

Look at Boston, which has had Bird, Bourque and Brady in our lifetime.

New York has had a few. Heck Philly has, too. And Chicago had MJ.

Atlanta? Bupkis.

FE to the C —

That's a very fair comparison. And we're sure there are several Alabama fans wanting to know why we hate Bama, too. So it goes.


That's a pretty good point about being June and having a slew of other things to occupy your time. Is it football season yet?

GD —

Looks like we picked the wrong we to quit sniffing glue.

And we will not be yelling the R-T phrase any time soon.

— 5-at-10

June 7, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
chas9 said...

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm more common tater than commentator. And that's not Dr. B code revealing my secret Bama fandom.

Wonder how Big O feels about the former orange-clad Bill Battle going to work for the Great Satan? The word ambivalent comes to mind.

June 7, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, you know, I could probably not watch Rudy and be OK with it. Bull Durham, on the other hand ....

June 7, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


I didn't strain on this because I knew it would be addressed on the topic I started but yes, it would wein if the Hawks had 1-2 winning seasons under them. I guess one factor on this is the NBA is not going to gain a foothold in our region because college football has been king here for decades (The same can be said for baseball in the New England states). But I do feel that there would be more "interest" in the finals locally if the Hawks were playing. More than I think the Grizzles would. I base this from when both the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Mavs were battling in the championships. We have A LOT of "Okei" transplants as I call them down here so Thunder-mana was clashing with the Mav fanbase for the time being at the height of all that.

Anyway Stewwie, enjoy the game even if you're in the minority on this. I mean heck, I LIVE the minority life. Wearing blue and gold at a Krogers amoung the sea of "burnt" orange and Aggie maroon.

Although as a party of one, I do have MORE in my camp then most SMU and UNT fans I see out and about on Saturdays. :P

June 7, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Did I miss it, or has there been no conversation about young Mr. Puig today? Going oppo salami off Gearrin last night? (Cue the James Earl Jones' voice from the dark helmet) - Impressive.

June 7, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
mrspud said...

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm more common tater than commentator. -- Chas9

I know how you feel

June 7, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
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