published Saturday, March 16th, 2013

Sharia Law

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

We bearded men born in Pakistan advise you to be careful, Mr Bennett :)

Anyone else see any of Doug Wilson's debate with Andrew Sullivan on the issue? Sullivan thinks marriage is for only two people, so does he want "sharia law" against a bisexual who wants to marry two partners? Or to suppress Islam and some forms of Mormonism which allow polygamy? Wilson's point is not just that 'gay' marriage slides down a slippery slope to worse things; it's that to prevent this slide, Sullivan has to agree with Wilson in drawing a line somewhere, somehow against what some consenting adults want to do. Wilson draws the Bible and Church line (he'd be patient with polygamists who get saved).

And when every arrangement that anyone wants to call "marriage" is so called, what will "marriage" mean anymore? (When I thank God for Wendy, once or twice a day most days, I thank Him "for bringing us together in holy marriage.")

Marriage is a grouping. It's one thing to let sinful groupings happen. It's another to deny other groupings the right to their own standards, as my 'sharia' brother in the White House is trying with regard to contraceptives. Can a Christian photographer turn down an offer to shoot a 'gay' marriage? Can a Christian bed & breakfast set standards for who gets into its beds?

It's another thing to force healthy people to pay sick people to be sick, or to force wise people to pay high-risk people to take risks.

It's another thing to deny freedom of speech. Can Canadians post lists of Bible references to 'gay' conduct? Christians have a duty to speak lovingly--"Repent or perish, and PLEASE don't perish!" rather than "Repent or perish, and the sooner and more miserably you perish the better, you @##$$%&!" But he who hates his neighbor fails to warn him of dangers before him; the Church needs to preach "Repent!" more, not less, than it does (and not just about the weird sins of a small minority, but about laziness, gluttony, and worldliness, to name three of mine, and of course fornication in general, not just its 'gay' form.)

Maybe I should congratulate Clay for his courage in mocking the Koran and Islamic law. (Copy this cartoon before it gets pulled, Bennett fans?)

March 16, 2013 at 1:04 a.m.
Maximus said...

I'm with the new, bus riding, Pope Francis on this one. Only gays care about this trumped up issue any way.

March 16, 2013 at 5:56 a.m.
Reardon said...

Why should the government have any involvement in marriage -- of any kind -- to begin with?

March 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Reardon said...Why should the government have any involvement in marriage -- of any kind -- to begin with?

In a country that espouses separation of church and state, the government has no legitimate reason to be involved in marriage. "Marriage" should be struck from every local, state and federal government code where that word appears. And, churches should stop serving as instruments of the court in validating civil unions.

March 16, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
conservative said...

One possible message here is the fear by homosexuals that more than two people being permitted to "marry" will undermine the homosexual agenda of society accepting their perversion.

Another message would be the opposition by homosexuals to anything considered divine or moral such as Sharia law.

I think both would be in the minds of sodomites but especially their defiance of God in their despicable sexual conduct.

The moral condition of homosexuals is so bad that God gives them up. Their conscience no longer responds to conviction by God and so they have no restraints on their disgusting behavior.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:"

"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:"

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans chapter 1:22, 24-27

March 16, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

How about just eliminating marriage as any type of governmental status and let it become the spiritual union it should be. Also, legalize polygamy. Also, bestiality. Eliminate all tax breaks (discounts) for families and make everyone pay by the head, the way services are doled out.

Giving away free stuff to people who have children without the ability to support them is one of the reasons we're in such a mess. Use DNA to identify parental relationships and garnish the pay of every person who has children. Make it an automatic penalty that lasts at least 18 years. Make it so you can't own a gun, or a car, or a dog unless you are supporting your children. Require an ID to purchase beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes and gasoline, and anyone who is a non-supporter can't buy those things, period.

March 16, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
conservative said...

Good morning Ike.

I believe that a long step toward public morality will have been taken when sins are called by their right names. Billy Sunday

March 16, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Reardon asks....Why should the government have any involvement in marriage of any kind?

This is what happens when big government sticks its nose in the tent. We have a forced, mandatory retirement plan run by the government and also includes survivor benefits for a spouse. Should these benefits also include a partner of the same sex or how about opposite sex partners who were never married? How about the children of life partners who were never married? Even though we are forced to participate in this "benevolent" government run retirement plan called Social Security, we can't designate a beneficary like we can in a private plan. This is just one example of how convulated things become when government sticks it nose into something it should not.

March 16, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
limric said...

Hmm; interesting cartoon As are reactions to it thus far.

I see it a bit differently.

I look at Clay’s work today as a caricature of the right wings transfer of their ever present (it’s always bubbling just below the surface) irrational fears? By being dragged kicking and screaming to accepting gay marriage, they will put aside one bogeyman and re-awaken another by refocusing said fears (religion has a nasty habit of inflaming these) on the bogeyman of a non-existent ‘Sharia Law’ infestation.

March 16, 2013 at 9:29 a.m.
anniebelle said...

well said, limric. It's interesting how the right-wing wants the government out of EVERY THING except our bedrooms and wombs. Sounds like a conflict to my poor old brain.

March 16, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...The moral condition of homosexuals is so bad that God gives them up. Their conscience no longer responds to conviction by God and so they have no restraints on their disgusting behavior.

Conservative - the moral condition of the homosexual is no different than yours. Read Romans 1:18 - 3:19 carefully. You will find yourself somewhere in that list of ungodly and unrighteous people.

But, notice that the list of ungodly people, including you, is bracketed by the more important verses:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.” (Romans 1:16-17 ESV)

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (Romans 3:21-24 ESV)

Those promises are valid for everyone on the list of the ungodly. If those promises are not valid for the homosexual, they are not valid for anyone else on the list - including you.

I put my confidence in the promise. It's your choice whether you also want to put your confidence in the promise or in your own ability to keep the law.

Note that you and I have had this conversation before. The above is really all that I have to say on the matter. Please feel free to respond. I will concede the last word to you.

March 16, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
jjmez said...

Maximus said... I'm with the new, bus riding, Pope Francis on this one. Only gays care about this trumped up issue any way

Not so fast on that new Pope your riding with. They are protesting his PopeShip, perhaps with good reason, before he's been officially PopePaCized.

That new Pope, Francis {actual name,Jorge Mario Bergoglio}:

excerpt from ThinkProgress:

Church of Argentina, which was the primacy place of Bergoglio before becoming the new Pope, is one of the most controversial church in Latin America for its passivity, even its complicity related to the last military dictatorship (1976-1983)

Bergoglio has been criticized by the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) for his behavior during the 1976-1983 dictatorship in Argentina, with some journalists claiming that he prevented human rights groups from finding political prisoners by imprisoning them in his vacation home.

During the period of the dictatorship, the Catholic Church failed to confront the regime, even as it was kidnapping and killing thousands. The church eventually issued a blanket apology for its actions in October of 2012, though Bergoglio “invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court” to address two cases in which he was directly involved. When he did testify in 2010, his “answers were evasive,” human rights activists claim.

March 16, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
tifosi said...

It took me a minute to get it, but limric is right. This is a slam on the right-wing christians for trying to impose their own version of sharia law on America. Another classic case of the hypocrisy coming from the bible-thumpers. Their credibility is fading fast and it is evident by the mass exodus of young people from the church. The question is going to be... What do we do with all the real estate that becomes available when the churches are empty and they can't keep the lights on any more?

Young adults aren't sticking with church. 70% of surveyed Protestants stopped attending by age 23. - USA Today

March 16, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
limric said...

I have to admit, I was green with envy when I read Dude_abides sentence yesterday, ” One by one they will try to "outgay" each other in order to prove they are open minded and multicultural.” A more prophetic (and damn funny) sentence you will not find - and it gets my vote as proverb of the month.

Abidus Optimus Ineo Ut Balanus

March 16, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
dude_abides said...

jjmez is right, Pope Maximus.

"Like good wine that becomes better with age, let us pass on to young people the wisdom of life." --Pope Francis

So, he wants to pass good wine and wisdom to the young? lol

March 16, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
Oldhickory said...

Clearly the cartoon is a caricature of Sen. Rob Portman who is a Republican from Ohio and who speaks openly against Shariah Law. https://ssl.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=460&letter_id=7997422946

Senator Portman has recently joined Vice-President Dick Cheney by announcing his support for gay marriage, because his son is a gay man thus he is portrayed with conflicting messages. "The overriding message of love and compassion that I take from the Bible, and certainly the Golden Rule, and the fact that I believe we are all created by our maker, that has all influenced me in terms of my change on this issue," Portman said, adding that he feels that "in a way, this strengthens the institution of marriage." http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/03/sen_rob_portman_comes_out_in_f.html

Consequently, Bennett rightfully portrays Portman as a bumbling hypocrite who wears his newly found support for gay marriage while still trying to display his so called Christian boogey man position against Shariah law.

March 16, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

limric, you embarrass me with your gracious praise. Don't let up on 'em.

Frankie Valli was so ahead of the curve with "Sharia Baby" and the chilling affect elders have on young love.

March 16, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

Uh uh prarie dog I think the government provides more relief (what we working people call welfare) and tax breaks to those that live together instead of getting married. Again, as for the gays I hope they know what they are getting into. Will a gay diiiivorce require the highest earning spouse to provide the other with half their moooola and assets? Most gays I know do not believe in most any authority figure and think the so called gay marriage issue is a publicity stunt to get free stuff from the guvment. Really, gays chose to live together to avoid taxes just like a hetero couple chooses to shack up. Come on man, Clay you are soooo GAY! Really, I think you are gay. You look like a gay hippy and since you do not mention a wife or children in your profile about your sad military brat upbringing I think it is offical, you are the first gay doodler at the T.F.P. Not that there is anything wrong with that....er at least for those that do not think you are a perv that will burn in hell. In other words, Judgemental Baptists. Gotta run, got a tee time at the Honors Course! Gonna stripe it today ya'll!

March 16, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
Easy123 said...

You don't know any gay people, Maximusty.

Is there no end to your well of lies?

March 16, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
dude_abides said...

I'm sure I am missing something here, but isn't peering down into every vehicle you pass on the freeway, from a semi cab, a distraction in itself? So, we're putting state troopers with CDL's, but not regular everyday driving experience, on the freeways in 7-8 ton "drones with wheels" and asking them to take their eyes off the road at regular intervals to catch a texter here and there. I guess that will continue until one of them crushes a car full of girl scouts.

March 16, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
Lr103 said...

dude_abides said... I'm sure I am missing something here, but isn't peering down into every vehicle you pass on the freeway, from a semi cab, a distraction in itself? So, we're putting state troopers with CDL's, but not regular everyday driving experience, on the freeways in 7-8 ton "drones with wheels" and asking them to take their eyes off the road at regular intervals to catch a texter here and there. I guess that will continue until one of them crushes a car full of girl scouts.

I surely hope Clay Bennett will do a cartoon on this crazy and dangerous idea of placing Troopers in semi's who likely have very little to no actually experience in driving or handling them in the first place. I think a couple of them may have driven alongside me heading back to Chattanooga from Nashville several days ago. One, in particular became unusually and dangerously close to the passenger side of my vehicle. Since I travel a lot, and know experience OTR drivers don't take such chances, I wondered what may have been going on until I read the article onState Troopers driving semi to catch texters. Can these people become anymore dangerously dumber and stoopidER than this?

March 16, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

What out Tooney or you'll get a fatwah.

March 16, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

It is amazing how every cartoon and issue becomes a religious debate.

The women in the U.S. will never allow Sharia law to be adopted in any form that could still be considered Sharia law, at least let's hope not.

anniebelle said...

It's interesting how the right-wing wants the government out of EVERY THING except our bedrooms and wombs. Sounds like a conflict to my poor old brain.

Agree, the government needs to stick to those things it is charged to do which means we would have an excess flow of revenue if they did. It is none of government business what sexual behavior people participate in if there is no cruelty crime committed. I don.t want to help pay for it but if you want an abortion have at it. I don't want to help support them but if you want a house full of kids and can afford it go for it. Too many people misinterpret the words for the greater welfare which does not mean redistribution of wealth or welfare programs. Neither party is willing to abolish or reduce government departments and have local and state governments accept their responsibility and fulfill their role. Neither party is willing to abolish all tax exceptions and adjust the progressive system rates. Tax revenue could be increased by at least 20% by collecting on unreported and illegal income.

March 16, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
joneses said...

Does anyone notice how the liberal extremist hate everything that is good for the morality of America? More proof in their minds everything goes except what they do not want to own. An example is liberal extremist think because they do not want a gun no one should own one. Liberal extremist think they should also give everything they can get their hands on to their voting blocks. The topic of gay marriage is not worth the time as marriage between two men and two women does not exist. It is impossible and all this bullsh!t about gay marriage is only about money and perversion.

March 16, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
rengerry said...

Does anyone notice how the fascist conservatives think they know what is good for the morality of America? More proof in their minds everything goes except what they want to control. An example is fascist conservatives think because the bible says it then no one should have a different opinion. Fascist conservatives think they should also get everything they can get their hands on from the disadvantaged. The topic of gay marriage is not worth the time as it conflicts with their indoctrination and the naughty thoughts that permeate their mind even as they hide in the closet. It is impossible to get out of someone else's bedroom and all this bullsh!t about gay marriage is only about their own sins and perversion of thought.

March 16, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Good post, rengerry. But they'll never recognize themselves.

March 16, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rest assured knowing people like joneses, JonRoss, Maximus, AndrewLohr, and conservative will end up on the wrong side of history just like their white-hooded, cross-burning brethren before them.

March 16, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Did I wake up this morning living in a theocracy? I didn't think so.

All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. -- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Joneses, please read the Constitution before you spew your drivel. The Ninth Amendment (AKA The Enumerated Rights Amendment) says otherwise. Basically it states just because a civil right isn't stated doesn't mean said civil right doesn't exist. The Supreme Court referred to the Ninth and the Fourteenth Amendment in their ruling in the 1967 case of Loving v Virginia, which overturned bans on interracial marriage. Because marriage was not listed as a civil right, the USSC based their ruling from the 9th Amendment and then stated that marriage was a "fundamental civil right" and as such fell under the equality clause of the 14th Amendment.

March 16, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nice try, Ozzy, but with joneses you are wasting your time. He'll come back and call you all sorts of profane things, without countering any of your points.

March 16, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Wilson's point is not just that 'gay' marriage slides down a slippery slope to worse things... --AndrewLohr"

Purple mountains majesty? Nope. Those are just conveniently adjacent slippery slopes. On a clear day you can still see that slippery slope we were all warned about back in 1967. The Supreme Court of the United States ruled the state of Virginia's anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional in the case of Loving v. Virginia. The old guard began howling like wounded coyotes immediately. If a white man can marry a black woman, what's next...A man will be able to marry a (fill in the blank)!!!

Everything old is new again.

March 16, 2013 at 6:19 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn : "Conservative - the moral condition of the homosexual is no different than yours. Read Romans 1:18 - 3:19 carefully. You will find yourself somewhere in that list of ungodly and unrighteous people."

You need to read that passage carefully as you suggested. You have greatly erred MTJohn. I marvel at your misunderstanding of Scripture. I am not in that list for I no longer PRACTICE some of the things on that list. There is a difference and you need to understand that difference if you truly want Salvation.

Now carefully, as you stated read : 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind TO DO what ought not to be done. 29 They were FILLED with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are FULL of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who PRACTICE such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who PRACTICE them. Romans 1:28-32.

Notice the words PRACTICE, DO, FILLED and FULL. All these words denote continuous behavior, lifestyle and PRACTICE.

When one receives the promise of Salvation it means he has repented of his sins, there is a change in the believer. In fact the change is so radical it is called "born again" by Jesus.

1 John 2:29 KJV "If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him" Those who are not born again such as homosexuals, drunkards, adulterers, fornicators and such as in the verses cited above PRACTICE unrighteousness. Note the difference

1 John 3:9 KJV "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin , because he is born of God." The meaning here is continuous sin, continuous practice not occasional sin. Again note the difference.

1 John 5:18 KJV We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not" Again not that a Christian does not occasionally sin but that a Christian does not PRACTICE sin, it is not continuous.

Finally : "9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God "1Corinthians 6:9-10

God's word is very clear, the homosexual will not inherit the Kingdom Of God!!!

March 16, 2013 at 6:23 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

I see Ozzy already addressed the Loving v. Virginia case a few minutes before. Don't mind me, the acoustics in this place at times will produce an echo effect.

March 16, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

And speaking of the echo effect...Along comes Connie. He's got bible verses and ain't afraid to use 'em!

March 16, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rengerry asks: “Does anyone notice how the fascist conservatives think they know what is good for the morality of America? More proof in their minds everything goes except what they want to control.

It’s hard not to notice, especially if you are a female or belong to an ethnic minority. Indeed, some of the attendees at the Conservative Political Action Committee are prime examples. . . One white male CPAC attendee who is an alleged descendant of Confederate President Jefferson Davis still appears to be very confused about slavery and the basic rights of women:

"Attendee, 30-year-old Scott Terry of North Carolina asked the panelist “Why can’t we be more like Booker T. Washington?” K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans replied, “They call Booker T. Washington the second Frederick Douglass.”

-------“What about unity and diversity?” Terry asked.

“What about it?” Smith responded. “Here’s an example: When Douglass escaped from slavery, I think 10 years or 20 years after he escaped, he writes a letter to his former slave master and said, ‘I forgive you for all the things you did to me.’”

-------“For giving him shelter and food and all that?” Terry asked.

Think Progress reported that they asked Terry if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites.

--------Terry told them, “I’d be fine with that.”

Think Progress also reported that Terry, who claimed to be a direct descendant of Confederate President Jefferson Davis told a fellow female attendee when she responded to one of his remarks,

-------“I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/15/cpac-attendee-defends-slavery-because-slave-owners-provided-food-and-shelter/

March 16, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
degage said...

All this is old stuff same people saying the same things. recylced.

March 16, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
jesse said...

exactly,degage! I been tryin all day to think o sumthin to put on here and this is it!!

This morning i figured all the hell raisin was gonna be about state troopers ridin around in semi trucks bustin folks for textin and stuff!

March 16, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
Lr103 said...

mountainlaurel, and now conservative GOP claims of they're trying to clean up their image as one of being bigoted and exclusive. Yet, has anyone noticed they'restill using the ver same old DIVIDE 'N CONQUER tactics even with the ethnic minorities they're attempting to attract? Hispanics/Latinos (well some they want some they don't). Asians (they say are productive), and now they're even embracing some gays. But wait! Leaving African-Americans basically completely out of the conversations of attracting more minorities.

March 16, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse, speaking of raisins, please enjoy this short piece while you wait:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ca_1363386226

March 16, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
jesse said...

what am i waitin on??

March 16, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Godot? How the heck do I know? You just seemed bored.

March 16, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage notes: "All this is old stuff same people saying the same things. recylced."

“Sounds like you’ve been trying to listen to some of those speeches at that Conservative Political Action Committee event. . . Well, Degage, you’re not alone. . . I feel the same way. . . same old stuff. . . same old mean-spirited rhetoric.

March 16, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
caddy said...

Well Said, Andrew--as usual.

April 4, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
caddy said...

http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/21871

Why No One Hears Arguments for Marriage What that Means for Us By: John Stonestreet

April 4, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
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