published Saturday, November 16th, 2013

Inspiring

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

This is not a moral issue but it is a critical government spending issue. Council members have a fiduciary responsibility to exercise fiscal restraint and spend taxpayer money only as essential. There is no justification and nothing to be gained for taxpayers by increasing spending by an estimated 1% which, more than likely, is lower than the eventual actual cost.

Too often those entrusted with the power to spend taxpayers money find it easy to spend on special interest groups and activities or on their personal preferences that benefit a very small number of citizens.

Compensation, pay and benefits, for most city employees already exceeds that for like or similar work in the private sector while productivity is lower than in the private sector. The austerity exercised with the police and fire budget which is for protection of all citizens is ludicrous when looking at other discretionary spending such as this and unfunded future liabilities to which this cost will add.

The comparison of discrimination against a race of people or a gender with gay or cohabitation which is not a race but a personal choice is ridiculous.

November 16, 2013 at 5:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

The more appropriate question the mayor and council should ask themselves is why are taxpayers paying for benefits for anyone other than the city employee. There is major difference in allowing employees to benefit from the group rates when providing benefits for family members without cost to the city and those funding the cost of the employee.

The answer to this question is a weak philosophical rambling that does not justify the spending. Eliminate all cost of benefits to those other than the employee and adjust wages or salaries if necessary so employees can make their own extended benefits decisions instead of the mayor and council making it for them.

November 16, 2013 at 5:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

Those same bigots protesting the issue of benefits for those that don't meet their idea of morality are just as adamant about how right the discrimination against singles is because it benefits most bigots. There are over 1000 ways that singles are discriminated against including but not limited to the income tax codes. Why is there different rates at the same income level for singles, married filing jointly, head of household etc. The bigots insist the government must promote marriage, home ownership and legislate what in their view is moral behavior.

Abolish the discrimination against those preferring to remain single and those preferring to make their own personal choices and the issue of gay marriage, benefits to those not employed by the employing entity and other distractions from what governments should be attending to no longer exist.

November 16, 2013 at 5:54 a.m.
jesse said...

Bigotry is the wrong reason to oppose this!!

Common sense is the right reason!!

November 16, 2013 at 6:07 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Bennett, Jesus said:

Have ye not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,And said , For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 19:4-5

November 16, 2013 at 7:23 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Fairmon,

No matter how hard you try to conflate every issue into a "critical government spending issue," bigotry is not. It is a moral issue and or deficiency.

I would say that if there is any "weak philosophical rambling" it is your three part diatribe. Your own moral deficiency (and ignorance) exposed by the statement, "The comparison of discrimination against a race of people or a gender with gay or cohabitation which is not a race but a personal choice is ridiculous."

Liberty and freedom; ok as long as it fits within your narrow criteria? A libertarian you are not.

November 16, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
conservative said...

To a Christian marriage between a man and a woman and is a virtuous act in accordance with God's will.

To an Atheist the oppostion to Homosexuality is bigotry.

November 16, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
moon4kat said...

To an American freedom means other people have an equal right to make choices for their own lives. Freedom does not mean that the self-appointed scolds get to regulate and restrict every behavior they don't like.

November 16, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.
beelady950 said...

On Wed, March 1, 2006 at a hearing on the proposed Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriage, Jamie Raskin, professor at Law at AU was requested to testify. At the end of his testimony, GOP Senator Nancy Jacobs said "Mr. Raskin, my bible tells me that marriage is only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?" Raskin replied "Senator, when you took your oath of office you placed your hand on the bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the bible." Additionally, sexual orientation is protected under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We are a constitutional driven country, NOT a country driven by religious beliefs.

November 16, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
limric said...

Serious question for Conservative. And I promise not to rail or attack your answer.

If much of the country turned to christian scripture as an arm of the law; what would be the status/fate of gays & lesbians?

November 16, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

MickeyRat said...

Fairmon,

No matter how hard you try to conflate every issue into a "critical government spending issue," bigotry is not. It is a moral issue and or deficiency.

"The comparison of discrimination against a race of people or a gender with gay or cohabitation which is not a race but a personal choice is ridiculous."

MickeyR....I should have added to justify this expenditure. I am not suggesting it is acceptable to discriminate against gays or those preferring to cohabit or any other minority group that is not doing others harm. I do not think the city should be paying for any benefits for anyone other than the individual city employee.

MickeyRat also said....

Liberty and freedom; ok as long as it fits within your narrow criteria? A libertarian you are not.

Liberty and freedom I do fully support including life style, a woman's right to chose, gay marriage etc. I support social liberties and fiscal conservatism which is the best way I can describe libertarian principles. I think drugs, gambling and prostitution should be made legal with regulations and taxation. Taxes should be paid on what is spent, not what is earned.

November 16, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

beelady950 said....

Additionally, sexual orientation is protected under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

beelady...I Agree we are governed by the constitution and none of the many religious beliefs or bibles in this country. However, perhaps it should be but the protection of sexual orientation is not in title VII of 1964 nor has it been amended to do so.

November 16, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.
fairmon said...

conservative...to those claiming to be Christian many things are a sin but that does not give them the right to dictate morals using mans laws. Preach and teach all you want but allow people to make their own choices. Christians are just as guilty as the government of intervening in peoples lives when they insist on laws imposing their beliefs on everyone paying taxes while churches for some reason are exempt. The word hypocrite comes to mind when I see a self righteous group or person trying to influence the government to pass or do away with a law that does no personal harm to them but is not consistent with their religious beliefs.

November 16, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
rick1 said...

moon4Kat "To an American freedom means other people have an equal right to make choices for their own lives. Freedom does not mean that the self-appointed scolds get to regulate and restrict every behavior they don't like."

Like the millions of Americans, who made their own choice when they purchased a health insurance plan that was best for their needs. Now Obama Care has come along and took these polices away and is now forcing people to buy higher cost insurance policies in order to control people.

November 16, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

conservative...did Jesus attempt to influence mans laws or did he suggest obeying the law of the land and yielding unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars?

November 16, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

DaytonDarwin will surely love this Bennett toon. Hell, maybe Bennett is DD.

November 16, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I think this cartoon is about to be inundated with about 50 posts of 1st Corinthians by our man Conservative.

Of course, he hasn't been on here much the past few days. Maybe he has been down at UTC trying to hit on that lady preaching the word.

November 16, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - Scripture has much more to say about social justice than it does about homosexuality. Please explain why conservative Christians oppose social justice with as much vigor as they oppose gay marriage.

November 16, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

GaussianInteger,

Nooo, I don't think so. I think it's about to be inundated with about 50+ posts about ObamaCare & all things Obama.

OR- A critical government spending issue.

Tick tick tick tick...BENGHAZI!!

November 16, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
Maximus said...

Typical pagan B.S. from loser Clay the abused military brat. Clay I'll bet that Thanksgiving is a lonely day for you. Who would want to hang out with someone that sees victimization around every corner and is so boringly predictable in their political views. I could see you, Limric, ans stage 4 Alprova sitting at the table discussing how the turkey never had a chance in life and how the pilgrims abused the Indians. LOL!

November 16, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
conservative said...

Don't let anyone deceive you, no Homosexual will inherit the Kingdom of God:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS

November 16, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Well Conservative, that sure leaves Maximus standing at the curb in front of Alan Golds bar.

November 16, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
chet123 said...

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!...this suppose to be a stealth operation.....

November 16, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And there is the con-man, adding the word "homosexual" to the verse, even though it's not in the original manuscript. And I guess con-man has never lusted over a woman, because if he has, I guess he will have to spend eternity in hell with homosexuals (along with all of the other "Christians" that ever thought "I sure would like to get her in the sack"). Because God said that someone that lusts over a woman is guilty of adultery.

November 16, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

And there's Minimus, spewing his hate-filled ignorance, either though he proclaims he hates the "democratic party for their part in spreading hate-filled rhetoric". But hey, his daughter cruises around in a Mercedes.

November 16, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dream ticket for Dems if Hilldebeast decides not to run. Alan Grayson, Pres., Alec Baldwin, VP.

November 16, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

^They'd probably still defeat whoever the GOP tries to offer us this next election. Maybe the third times a charm for Romney.

November 16, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
chet123 said...

I SEE JACK DENNIS IS STILL PRETENDING TO BE A BLACK MAN NAMED PLAINTRUTH.....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

WHAT IS THIS OBSESSION YOU HAVE WITH BLACK MALES JACK??......ARE YOU GAY????

November 16, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gaussy: I'm sure it would be your ticket of choice.

chet123: Never said anything about me being black. White as Casper. Just like you. HA HA HA HA HA

November 16, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Nope. I don't see myself voting for either party next election. But if forced to, I would vote for Romney before I would vote for Cruz or Rand Paul.

November 16, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
fairmon said...

conservative...Is it a Christian thing to do when a word is added to or changed in scripture being quoted and posted? Who empowered you to judge others and to condemn some people to hell and some with no chance of going to heaven. Are you sure Jesus condones you making judgments only God can make?

Can you show me a scripture in the bible that says to be married a couple must have a state issued license? Who are you to say that as an adult male my loyalty and commitment to the lady I love and hers to me is not sufficient to be considered married in God's eyes?

Are you saying repeating our vows in front of witnesses without the benefit of some hypocrite preacher and without paper work is not a marriage and we are fornicating?

November 16, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
limric said...

Fairmon,

There really isn't much difference between radical Islam and it Christian counterpart.

It's more a matter of openly stated violence against those not subscribing to their particular dogma. If not checked, Christianity can be (the past gives ample evidence to this) every bit as violent and cruel.

"When Jesus Christ came upon the earth, you killed him, the son of your own God, you nailed him up! You thought he was dead, but you were mistaken. And only after you thought you killed him did you worship him, and start killing those who would not." ~Tecumseh

November 16, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
conservative said...

Fairmon:

"conservative...Is it a Christian thing to do when a word is added to or changed in scripture being quoted and posted? Who empowered you to judge others and to condemn some people to hell and some with no chance of going to heaven. Are you sure Jesus condones you making judgments only God can make?"

Why are you asking me those questions?

It seems you have been exploited.

November 16, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

^Maybe he is curious as to why a man that proclaims to be a follower of Christ, has so much hate and contempt in his heart.

November 16, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

conservative said.....

Why are you asking me those questions?

It seems you have been exploited.

Exploited? Only if you are using it as a noun and mean.... a notable deed or feat, esp one that is noble or heroic.

Is that your way of dodging some serious question? I was anxious to see your answer to limric. These questions provide you with opportunities to educate and teach. Preach and teach or do you prefer just throwing fire and brimstone around? Yes fear is a motivator that is the reason so many cling to the government teat and will not seek to be educated about what the government does.

November 16, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger:

Attacking the person instead of addressing the argument or facts is what Liberals do when they can't refute the facts.

You are becoming quite predictable in defending the sin and abomination of Homosexuality GaussianInteger.

God hates sin and we are commanded to do likewise: Ye that love the LORD, hate evil Psalm 97:10

November 16, 2013 at 3:51 p.m.
conservative said...

Fairmon:

I have not added or changed Scripture and that is why I asked you why you asked me that question.

I have no power to condemn you for being a Homosexual or anyone else, the word of God which I provided you does that:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS

November 16, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
limric said...

Conservative and Fairmon,

May I assume the quote below to be construed as an answer to my 8:04 AM query?

”Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Key theme being the inheritance of the kingdom of God' - or lack thereof.

Thus.

If, as you explained to Fairmon, ” I have no power to condemn you for being a Homosexual or anyone else, the word of God which I provided you does that.”

Should we not then ‘let God sort it out’?

November 16, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Conservative, I'm not defending homosexuality, I am pointing out how you only key in on homosexuality in the bible and you conveniently ignore everything else.

November 16, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gaussy. Stop it. Futile.

November 16, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
degage said...

Gaus, once conservative gets started on someone he won't ever let up. Just ask Ike and Al.

November 16, 2013 at 5 p.m.
conservative said...

GaussianInteger:

Are you serious?

Attacking me and trying to change the subject IS your way of defending Homosexuality.

Again and again Mr. Bennett pushes Homosexuality. He is for Homosexuality, God is against Homosexuality.

Are you serious?

My comments are germane to Mr. Bennett's cartoon. Homosexuality is brought up by Mr. Bennett's cartoon. Why would I comment about something else?

Are you serious?

November 16, 2013 at 5:02 p.m.
limric said...

Umm...what?

November 16, 2013 at 5:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

conservative if you suggest I am homosexual again you will then be able to condemn me for beating the hell out of you to within an inch of entering those pearly gates.

I am a male and I admit I have sex regularly with a beautiful lady with which I have exchanged vows with a commitment to be faithful with love and support of each other. I don't think you or the scripture can see that as a sin. I will not obtain a state issued license which is not a biblical requirement.

Now bigot when are you going to start answering the questions?

November 16, 2013 at 6 p.m.
conservative said...

Fairmon:

I already answered your question, please read carefully:

I have not added or changed Scripture and that is why I asked you why you asked me that question.

I have no power to condemn you for being a Homosexual or anyone else, the word of God which I provided you does that:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS

What is really troubling you?

November 16, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Too bad Breitbart isn't around to comment on the current debacle. (Not the Fairmon/Conservative exchange) lol

November 16, 2013 at 6:24 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Conservative, hang it up; Bennett thinks Jesus was a Mexican boxer.

November 16, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
una61 said...

Characterizing church goers as bigots is bigotry.

November 16, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.
yddem said...

Jesus was more than one Mexican boxer.

Conservative is stained boxer shorts.

If fornicators cannot "inherit the kingdom of god" (whatever the hell that means), I was disinherited long ago.

November 16, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If the worst that Barack Obama does is ruin the economy, I'll breathe a sigh of relief. ~ Thomas Sowell

November 16, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Separation of church and state. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... I'm not sure the rules. People are saying gay people cant inherit the kingdom. What if they repent? Alot of people trying trying to convert these "sinners".... But for what? If they are already damned

November 17, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
chet123 said...

poorrrrrrrrrrr jack....hes so confused.....FROM WATCHING FOX NEWS AND BILL OREILLY.......I DONT FIT THE STEROTYPE HE'S SET IN HIS EGGHEAD...HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK!!!

November 18, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY JACK....BOoooooooooo!

THE BOOGIE MAN!!!

November 18, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
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