published Wednesday, September 25th, 2013

Delta Queen doesn’t obstruct — and more letters to the editors

Delta Queen doesn’t obstruct

I just finished reading the article in the newspaper and I am thrilled that they have allowed the Delta Queen to stay where it is.

I have never even boarded the Delta Queen, but someday I will.

It is a terrific tourist attraction for Chattanooga and if you ask, many people will tell you they take pictures of it when they come here.

According to Bob Doak, CEO of the Chattanooga Convention & Visitors Bureau, two dozen influential people had told him the old steamboat obstructs their view of downtown and the Aquarium.

I would love to know where these people live because unless you live in Coolidge Park it doesn’t obstruct any views( maybe they sleep in the park).

The trees in front of the steamboat obstruct more views than the riverboat.

ELAINE MALONEY, Rossville


Delta Queen a camera magnet

My photo file of the Delta Queen now exceeds 100 pictures dating back to 2007 when she came to Chattanooga once a year just to visit.

Even though the Delta Queen is no longer moving on the river, the character of the boat stands there inviting your eyes to look her over many many times and take hundreds of pictures before you leave.

Nothing surrounding the area has such an appeal. Nothing. When visitors come to town, what visual images do they take home with them? The 120 foot void spot in question, will leave behind just a river bank of stones and weeds. The departure of the Delta Queen (would be) irreplaceable from my viewing the riverfront for many years.

The architects and contractor care less about the what they have left us to view for the next 100 years. Just look at the square Walmart style boxes known as condos and apartments and tell me where the riverfront beauty is going.

The city for years has been known for having a great view of Lookout Mountain. What has happened? Is the mountain still there? Who really cares about the beautiful, irreplaceable 100-year-old Delta Queen anyway?

Approving another condo will fill the space.

BOB ROCK, Red Bank


Church and state separation

Rev. Brian Cosby is a Presbyterian minister who rejects evolution and claims Freedom From Religion Foundation is “bullying” schools which violate the law by promoting school prayer. He claims state/church separation means only “that the government has no right to dictate the affairs, theology, and worship of the church.” True, the First Amendment importantly guarantees the “free exercise” of religion. But it also, as Thomas Jefferson put it, “erects a wall of separation between church and state.” There can be no true freedom of religion, without the freedom to dissent.

Cosby apparently thinks churches have the right to dictate the affairs of the state — that’s theocracy. The Constitutional Framers were aware of the horrors of theocracy in the Old World, and the persecution and bloodshed church-state alliances had caused in the original colonies. That’s why they deliberately adopted an entirely godless Constitution, whose only references to religion are exclusionary, such as that there shall be no religious test for public office.

Government neutrality is no myth. Under our secular Constitution, citizens are free to believe, or disbelieve, but government cannot take sides or settle the debate. FFRF works to protect freedom of conscience for all, particularly for schoolchildren. Public schools should teach, not preach.

ANNIE LAURIE GAYLOR, Co-President, Freedom From Religion Foundation


Delta Queen remains an asset

The mayor may be on to something. He wanted the Delta Queen to leave this tourist mecca because he says it blocks people’s view of downtown and is an eyesore on the downtown shoreline.

Of course, the Walnut Street Bridge should go, too. It’s also blocking the view and is an even older eyesore. Let’s not forget that also blocking the view of the riverfront are the Hunter Museum of American Art, Chattanooga Theatre Centre, Tennessee Aquarium and certainly the Southern Belle, River Gorge Explorer and Blue Moon. They all should be sent packing, too, because they also might obscure an observer’s view of our waterfront.

After all, what do thousands of photographers know? What do thousands of tourists know? What do the thousands who have spent the night on the Delta Queen know? What do Cincinnati and New Smyrna Beach know, as they attempted to get the Delta Queen? What do we Chattanoogans know about the pride in having such an historic vessel be docked here? What do magazines and advertising spreads know as they prominently focus on this iconic resident of our shores?

Yeah, the mayor’s on to something, and the rest of us are all out of synch. This piece of the puzzle that makes Chattanooga the jewel that it is, surely needs to go. And take with it jobs, tax revenue and history. Who needs it?

DAVID COOPER

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librul said...

Thank you, Annie Laurie Gaylor, and thanks to everyone at FFRF. Please know that your members here in Chattanooga and across Tennessee appreciate your efforts to preserve state/church separation and the rights of conscience for all. Despite the acidic vitriol hurled at you by religionists, the principles you have espoused through the years are supported by the United States Constitution and freethinkers here and around the world.

“I turned to speak to God about the world's despair but to make bad matters worse I found God wasn't there.” --- Robert Frost, 1936

September 25, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Thanks, FFRF. You and Dan Baker have "saved" millions from the religious zealots who inflict their dogma in public schools and government where it doesn't belong.

The fight will continue as long as those zealots push their agenda where it's illegal and immoral to do so.

Keep up the great and necessary work. Think I'll watch "Dogma" tonight.

September 25, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The ONLY 'choice/freedom' that any of us have is thusly set forth:

We, any and all, have the freedom/choice to bow the knee 'NOW', or, under undisclosed supernatural conditions...'LATER'.

We, any and all, have the freedom/choice to CONFESS with our tongue Jesus Christ as Lord God of Hosts 'NOW', or, under undisclosed supernatural conditions...'LATER'

Isaiah 45:23... "I have sworn by myself, the Word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Romans 14:11... "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.'

Philippians 2:9&10..." That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

September 26, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I hope this is clear even to those who 'don't see as well as they need to see. kwo

Isaiah 45:23... "I have sworn by myself, the Word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Romans 14:11... "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.'

Philippians 2:9&10..." That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

September 26, 2013 at 8:14 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, you're a liar and a fraud. Why would anyone believe you since you've been exposed repeatedly for outlandish tales of self-importance?

You don't follow the tenets of your own beliefs against lying and dishonesty, but like many fundamentalist extremists you lie to suit your needs in the name of religion. Shame on you.

You've been busted Orr, once again.

September 26, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

In Washington DC, on Independence Avenue exists a Children's Book I wrote. My book, in the Library of Congress, is under the care and protection of the U.S. Government. If one wishes to take the doctrine of separation of Church and state (which is a misnomer)to the extremes that some certainly would, then, my book would never be allowed in the Library of Congress, having it's unique copyright identifier (registration) and catalog number. This being the case because underlying the main story line is an exaltation of Jesus Christ.

Do You see how abjectly silly this thing is? My Children's Book being kept and protected in a government building. The Library of Congress...the oldest Federal cultural institution in the nation. The research arm of Congress. The National Library. Go figure!

Ken ORR

September 27, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, I'm sure your children's book is as spellbinding and logical as your posts here.

You're an idiot to compare the seperation fo church and state with a book being in the Library of Congress.

That you are unable to make sense of that distinction show just what a crackpot you are.

In addition to being a liar and fraud about yourself, it's logical to assume your "writing" is mindless nonsense as well.

Next thing you'll be claiming is the number of copies sold is the millions, you had dinner at the White House, that your "book" has been on the NYT bestseller list for the last 24 weeks, and that you'll soon be the fifth figure on Mt. Rushmore.

You certainly have no connection with truth or reality.

You are sick.

September 27, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

You know, The Book of Psalms declares...Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do His commandments: His praise endureth for ever."

and, The Book of Wisdom (Proverbs) declares...Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of The Holy is understanding."

Truly, it is not so difficult to contribute positively to society/humanity. It indeed is much easier than only being a proponent of the 'Three C's': COMPLAINER, CONDEMNER, CRITICIZER. That's easy to do. That characteristic of being a proponent of the three C's helps certain individuals feel more (FALSE) self-value. Those of the three C's Club have usually never done a thing for others, have never contributed positively to society/humanity, realize they are parasites on society (in effect), and qualify as underachievers who in addition are mean, spiteful, hateful.

I will gladly furnish my Library of Congress Copyright Registration number to anyone who requests same. I have not lied. I believe the Holy Spirit Inspired, Biblical Scriptures above. I fear Jesus Christ with a Loving, Respectful, Honorable and Reverential fear...I have not lied. +(:>

Ken ORR

September 27, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, you lied about your scientific credentials (you have none). You lied about your credentials as a Mental Health Therapist (you have none). You lied about "the movers and shaker in Tennessee pleading with you to be a campaign manager (never happened). You lied about making up jokes about people dying with AIDS.

One only needs to read all your incredible lies and deceit by viewing your history on this site.

Why does your religion make you lie? Is fraud a part of your faith? Are you ashamed of your deceit?

Why can you not present your scientific and mental health therapist credentials? You said you have. You said you would present them. You said you would answer questions about them

But you haven't. Why?

Everyone knows why, Orr. You don't have them. All you have is a delusional mind due to your impotence and failures in life to be anything other than a religious blowhard.

You been exposed as a liar, fraud, and scoundrel.

Are you seeking therapy for your pathological lies?

September 27, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Dear Daytonsdarwin,

I ask in love, and that means 'in all sincerity', that The Lord Jesus Christ will bless You and Your loved ones and assure You a place (with Your loved ones) in His glorious eternal kingdom.

In Jesus Christ's Truth,

Ken Orr

September 27, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maybe your Jesus would bless you if you stop lying and committing fraud.

Or does your Jesus enourage his church members to lie?

Where's your shame? Why aren't you asking forgivness for your lies, deceit and fraud? You've 'sinned' against everyone on this site by your vicious stories about gays, your claims of credentials you don't have and never possessed, your farfetched tales of your political campaign.

Why won't you admit to your sins? Aren't you suppose to publicly acknowledge your sins against others?

Why do you keep spouting lies?

Go ahead, make a confession of your lies and fraud. Admit you're a con. The evidence is in your posts.

Does your God think an honest homosexual is worse than a lying, deceitful Christian con-man?

What about your family? Do you lie to them as well?

Shame on you, Orr. Shame on you for the humiliation you've brought upon your family.

September 27, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
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