published Wednesday, April 9th, 2014

Gun carry laws silly — and more letters to the editors

Gun carry laws silly

The arguments about whether persons with concealed carry permits should be legally allowed to carry a firearm into — wherever — are just plain silly.

I go to these places now, but never do I see anyone being searched. Never.

So what makes anyone think no one is carrying a gun now?

BILL LAUDEMAN


Enough hot air

I read in your newspaper March 29 that the Obama administration announced a strategy to start slashing methane emissions — a greenhouse gas released by landfills, cattle, and leaks from oil and natural gas production.

Perhaps the White House could propose that Congress pass a bill requiring all farmers to hang bags on the rear ends of their cattle to catch the methane released by flatulence. What the farmers are supposed to do with the bags when they get full is not clear.

Critics of this plan might contend the bags instead should be installed on White House officials.

GARY HAYES, Ooltewah


In defense of Muslims

The letter to the editor on March 30 — “Debating two world religions” — is a debate of one uninformed person against himself.

The author attempts to tell us what Muslims believe, without the advantage of knowing anything about Muslims. I am a Christian who was employed for eight years in the Middle East, six of them in the Asir of Saudi Arabia, “The Buckle of the Koran Belt.”

I can tell you that after all those years, Muslims are a lot like the Christians who live in the “The Buckle of the Bible Belt,” known as Tennessee. Like Christians in the Bible Belt, Muslims love their families, worship their God and support their communities.

Muslims come in many varieties, just as Christians.

I was working in Asir when 9/11 occurred. Asir is where nine of the terrorists who attacked America came from. Did I feel threatened by the people around me? No, I did not.

The community held a prayer service for those Americans who died. Total strangers would stop me on the street to apologize for the actions of those who use the Islamic faith to rationalize their actions.

So the next time someone wants to make a sweeping generalization about a people or religion, they should get on an airplane and spend some time with those they judge.

JOHN MAC NEIL


Krugman misses point

Paul Krugman uses a false analogy in his column titled “America’s taxation tradition” dated March 29.

He compares America’s wealth today to the Robber Baron era over 100 years ago and quotes Theodore Roosevelt to justify the Democrat Party’s war on successful people.

Barack Obama is not truly “hostile to the rich.” If only wealthy people knew the alleged “tradition,” he argues, they would eagerly embrace confiscatory taxation in the name of equality. Krugman writes as if Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan never existed.

These singular voices and the economic growth from reduced taxes made defunct his brand of Keynesianism. The crisis of our time is not inequality and concentrated wealth, but a question: Do we seek equal outcomes — the Communist model — or equal opportunity?

Our culture teaches victimization, not how to achieve financial independence. Becoming wealthy in America is a product of lifestyle choices and learned behaviors; it should be celebrated and taught.

To pursue one’s self-interests, as Adam Smith eloquently wrote in 1776, is the best public policy; to enjoy “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” one must be economically free.

KEN HARPE, Signal Mountain


Kennedy no moderate

[Columnist] Mark Kennedy places his political views in the political middle.

He lists examples, including skepticism concerning the Affordable Care Act, more concern over paying for nursing home care than over climate change; belief that federal government should yield to state legislatures “when possible” (whatever that means); preference for charity over social justice; acceptance of increasing the minimum wage “a little, over time” to decrease the demand for food stamps, the view that Howard Dean is a comparable political candidate to Sarah Palin.

Such values are not those of a political moderate, they could perhaps be characterized as a moderate Republican viewpoint. Such moderation among Republicans is rare.

The Republican Party today is a party of extremism, dedicated to obstructing sound government. Even though a few Republican members of Congress may hold moderate Republican views, regardless of how they feel and speak as individuals, they conform to the party line when they vote.

Thus, the Republican Party by never breaking ranks, shrewd gerrymandering and other ploys in state legislatures is exerting much more power on federal elections and ia able to obstruct the will of the people in ways that its numbers do not merit.

FAYE WALTER, Sewanee, Tenn.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Regarding the Chinese-Style-Knife stabbings at Franklin Regional High School in Murraysville, PA.:

My heart-felt sympathy to the students, their families, loved ones and friends. My prayers are that all may be comforted as they go to Jesus Christ for consolation. kwo

Quote: "Was it one of those dreaded hi-capacity assault knives? I hear that they NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO! The horror, the horror!"

Hey! You limp wristed Liberal Commie Anti-Christs! Watch Out! Ban those rocks in the school yards. What about the baseball bats in the gymnasium? Or, hey, what about the limbs on the trees, or, wait a minute, lets BAN eating with forks in the cafeterias. BAN the students FINGERS themselves...they can poke out someone's eyes. MAN UP! Christ Jesus Himself said there is a time to take up weapons to defend against sATANIC individuals (those with evil intent).

Ken ORR

April 9, 2014 at 12:11 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

In defense of Muslims

Could someone knowledgeable provide me the meaning of the following?

The great Islamic scholar Ibn Timmiya wrote:

"The one who owns the mother also owns her children. Being the master of the mother makes him the owner of her children whether they were born to a husband or they were illegitimate children. Therefore, the master has the right to have sexual intercourse with the daughters of his maid slave because they are the daughters of his property, provided he does not sleep with the mother at the same time"...Vol. 35, page 54.

FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30 [also see: The Koran - 23:5,6 and 4:24

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

...One Islamic Scholar, Silas, wrote: This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.

I actually have relatives who are Islamic, last name Hameed, and I am truly concerned about this. I need some assistance in understanding.

Ken ORR

April 9, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.

The muslims learned that behavior from the god in the Old Testament Bible.

April 9, 2014 at 12:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You don't need assistance in understanding, Ken Orr. You have already made up your mind.

April 9, 2014 at 12:58 p.m.
sangaree said...

re: Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.

Mr. Orr, are you sure you're not mistaking southern Christian beliefs taken straight from the Christian Bible during slavery? Having sex with their slave girls was quite the norm. So much so in fact that it became a very lucrative business for some slave owners. As the male slave owner, along with his male offspring, went about purposely spreading their seed throughout the slave quarters, impregnating young slave girls, then selling the products to brothels or to be used as house slaves or playmates and companions for the children of slave owners. Right there, it was, taken from their interpretation of the Christian Bible.

April 9, 2014 at 6:01 p.m.

"Regarding the Chinese-Style-Knife stabbings at Franklin Regional High School in Murraysville, PA.:

My heart-felt sympathy to the students, their families, loved ones and friends. My prayers are that all may be comforted as they go to Jesus Christ for consolation. kwo"

Wouldn't have been better if Jesus Christ stopped it from happening? Oops!

April 9, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.
Plato said...

Mr. Ken Harp - your economic theory which is essentially that trickle down economics results in more economic opportunity, is invalided by research performed by The Economic Policy Institute:

"The notion that anyone in America who is willing and able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” can achieve significant upward mobility is deeply embedded in U.S. society. Conventional wisdom holds that class barriers in the United States are the lowest among the world’s advanced economies. Motivating this belief is the notion that there is a tradeoff between market regulation and mobility; advanced European economies are characterized by higher taxes, greater regulation, more union coverage, universal health care, a more comprehensive social contract, etc. Because some see these policies and institutions as impediments to mobility, mobility is believed to be greater in the United States.

While faith in the American Dream is deep, evidence suggests that the United States lacks policies to ensure the opportunities that the dream envisions."

In reality Spain, France, Sweden, Norway and 8 other industrialized nations have greater socio/economic mobility (ability to move up in economic class) than the good ole USA

http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

April 9, 2014 at 8:22 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

"Slavery is an abomination..."

The above quote is so very correct! The Holy Bible in I Timothy 1:9-10 makes it totally clear: Menstealers (Slave Masters) are in the same category of evil as liars and murderers...

I Timothy 1:9-10...the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for MENSTEALERS, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine..."

Folks, there is a reason the Holy Scriptures say, {2 Timothy 2:15} "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

That reason is that You may know the Truth, and, the Truth shall set You free.

Folks, please study the Word of God, and then comment. Or, please reserve these spaces for those who have gained knowledge from the Holy Scriptures.

Slavery, according to Jesus Christ, is an abomination!

Get it right, folks +(:>

Ken ORR

April 10, 2014 at 12:11 a.m.

So Mr. Orr, you're saying that Jesus condemned his father, Jehovah, for allowing slavery? Since the Israelites had slaves with Jehovah's encouragement and blessings, Jehovah was committing a sin against mankind.

Did Jesus also condemn his father for allowing rape of those slaves? Did Jesus condemn his father for the murderous rampages Jehovah committed?

So you're saying Jesus rebelled against his father for committing those atrocities?

And if Jesus is really God the Father as well as the Holy Ghost, it appears Jesus was condemning himself as well. All those rapes and murders were as much Jesus as Jehovah. That's a real revelation there Mr. Orr. Since you claim there's no contradictions in the Bible that must be so.

Thanks for that clarification. I'm excited you've discovered the truth about Jehovah and Jesus sinning against humanity. I can't wait to show your testimony to other church members. Won't they be surprised to find out Jesus condemned Jehovah and thus condemned himself.

April 10, 2014 at 1:22 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

allahsyoungerbrother,

Once again, I must ask, 'Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?'

First off: You must,allahsyoungerbrother, apprise Yourself of YHWH's wisdom in utilizing DISPENSATIONS within His plan of developing mankind.

I have many posts regarding the fact of dispensationalism within the archives of my posts on this site. Your wisdom will be evinced upon Your decision to educate Yourself regarding dispensations found in Holy Bible Scripture. Until You obtain this necessary knowledge, we shall have nothing to discuss regarding YHWH's SANCTIONING PRISONERS OF WAR (NOT SLAVES).

Secondarily, there was no sanctioning of raping of anyone by YHWH. You confuse 'concubines' with slaves. This is understandable if, and, only if, You have not 'Studied to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.'.

I am not being condescending toward You, allahsyoungerbrother, yet, I do need to shine the light upon Your need to gain knowledge in the basic areas I have identified for You.

Ken ORR

April 10, 2014 at 11:54 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

sangaree,

Greetings! It saddens me to also have to ask You, 'Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?'

In Your case, there is this little problem of...ERGO. Logic does not support YHWH condemning fornication and sanctioning fornication simultaneously. Your 'skim-surface' knowledge of Holy Bible Scripture is glaring. I must speak the truth to motivate You to also:

2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

It would indeed be an embarrassment to be the person about whom Jesus Christ is speaking in the following Holy Scripture:

Romans 1:22

Viewing the King James Version.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..."

Ken ORR

April 10, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.

Too late, Mr. Orr. You've shown the contradictions of the Bible, that Jehovah (with the Trinity) and that Jesus were guilty for the slavery, rape, and murder of countless millions.

How can you be for and against slavery at the same time? How can one in one sentence claim to be against slavery, but in the next sentence make excuses for slavery.

You're as contradictory as the Bible, Mr. Orr. You pick and choose Bible verses.

Are you like the politicians who were "for it before they were against it" or does your Jehovah and Jesus just make things up and you can't discern which way is up?

You can't have it both ways. No wonder people don't believe in the Bible as factual. It's certainly not a historically accurate book, nor does it contain science.

That's why creationism belongs in Sunday school and not in science classes.

It's understandable why you picked out the Bible verse, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..." as that certainly applies to your understanding.

My niece Patty still says you should take an elementary grade science class to bring you into the 21st century and drop that foolishness you spout.

I read where a 47 year old minister was charged with sexual crimes against a 17 year old girl from his church. For three years he'd been having sexual relations with her in the church and at his home.

I bet he claims he was following the example and commands of Jehovah just like the Bible says.

April 10, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, dispensations are Christian apologists' way of trying to make sense of nonsense in the Bible. Just like your feeble attempts to explain away the many contradictions of Christ's utterances by your laughable "exothermic/endothermic" energy argument, the notion of dispensations is your way of latching on to a silly argument to substantiate your God's sadistic and tyrannical behavior in the Old Testament. He did indeed sanction slavery, rape, incest, polygamy, infanticide, genocide, misogyny, and all manner of senseless, cruel behavior, and the only way you Christian hangers-on can make it acceptable is to wrap it in something you call "dispensations."

I find it interesting that you like to claim that your God and his laws and morality are absolute, i.e. never changing, yet the fact that you Christian apologists have to come up with something to explain how God could act differently according to whatever period of "dispensation" you are talking about only shows that your God and morality do indeed change, according to the time frame.

It's funny to watch you fundies contort logic and twist your minds like pretzels trying to come up with explanations for all the scientific incongruities, historical inaccuracies, glaring contradictions, and many absurdities in the Bible, when, if you just had a modicum of intelligence and common sense you could see that your "holy" book is nothing but a book of myths and tall tales, not meant to be taken literally.

April 10, 2014 at 12:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

So, Rickaroo, ask a District Attorney (Prosecutor) if he/she doles out the same suggested sentence for a two year old, and, a 50 year old. I worked 15 years in the mental health field and had to learn about developmental psychology. Do some study on Child-to-Adult development and then get back with me on the merits of dispensations for ancient-to-modern mankind!

Ken ORR

April 11, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

And allahsyoungerbrother, or, anyone else who has the same/similar ignorance of Holy Bible Scripture...please reference one single solitary verse where YHWH sanctioned rape. I am not trying to embarrass anyone, actually, including myself, I happen to agree with Will Rogers who said, "Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects."...It is far better to admit that than be classified as an 'educated fool'. Agree?

Ken ORR

April 11, 2014 at 6:06 p.m.

Taking slaves, having sex with them is rape. Bible is full of a god's demand for slaves for his people. When his people did that with their slaves, that was rape.

When white southern masters took a slave woman to have sex with her against her will, she was raped.

Maybe that's OK with you; it's not with me. Some other god wants women to be sexually mutilated. Some god. What gods give permission for rape and torture?

Rape is rape; torture is torture. If gods use that and the evidence is overwheming by scriptural writings, what kind of gods are they? Why worship evils? Why believe that your holy scriptures are the "one." That other gods are just as real as yours or none of them are real.

That's what a literal Bible reading gives you. Pretzel thinking.

April 11, 2014 at 9:35 p.m.
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